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Wow I thought you were done! I think I will end this here because I feel like I am arguing with a bad lawyer.
I mistakenly embarked on this ship hoping we will discuss the nuances of the law and its many contradictions on the subject of gun ownership, right to self-defense and where the police (government) stands in all of this. But you just keep stating the obvious. It’s ok. I thank you for taking the time to answer me.
Which of course is silly because by arming people you only create an increased need for self-defence which wouldn't be there otherwise.
Many Americans who spend a lot of time abroad (especially in Europe) eventually reach the point where they no longer understand the United States and have no desire to return there.
I never understood the US... I never felt like it is the country I should live in. I do not hold a lot of its values. I have lived in Europe. I didn’t stay because I didn’t feel it either. But yes, definitely don’t see myself living in the US anymore.
There have been cases where a person shooting at cops plead self defense and eventually won. The only way to do that is if you can show you had no way of knowing it was a cop. The idea being that the officer is trying to effect an arrest, which they have the authority to do and you can fight it in court.
The fact that the person is or isn’t a cop shouldn’t be a condition to whether your self-defense is valid or not. But as you stated, if you can demonstrate you be don’t know the person was a cop you can legally shoot.
My point stands though: the US presents as a land where self-defense is a natural right and that through the right to bear arms, that right is protected. But you still can’t shoot a cop when a cop can shoot you. so we are all born with the right to self defense.... except when the threat is presented by a cop. In that case your right to self defense is taken away?
Did you leave the US for another country? Or are you a Sovereign Citizen within the geographic borders of the US? If you're in another country, do you like those people more?
Haha, I left the US as a law abiding citizen. I left to live in another country. The truth it took me 10 years. I lived in 2 counties before being where I am now.
The country I live in now has many flaws and its share of idiots ( like all places) but the people fundamentally have less hate in their hearts.
Oh and last point:
I don’t understand why one is willing to put their tax money in assuring the defense of their country through the military and cops ( group of people who are trained to kill to protect ) but not willing to put their tax money to assure the health of their country through doctors and nurse ( a group of people who are trained to save and bring back life )
Is invasion a higher probability than being sick?
Sure, a gun on the ground isn’t a threat at all. But a cop having a gun is a person holding a force that could lead to serious injury or death. Non? Why could we not respond the same way when faced with a person holding a force that could lead to death?
My point being, isn’t the point of allowing EVERYONE to bear arms a way to assure that everyone EQUALLY has a right to self defense ?
clearly, there is a hierarchy in our right to self defense. There is natural hierarchy. But I’m not talking about the natural hierarchy. I’m talking about the hierarchy the law imposes. In a gun fight, cop vs civilian. Both have guns. The law will protect the cop under the right to self defense if they kill the civilian. But the law will not defend the right to self defense were the civilian to kill the cop.
If each person's health becomes the responsibility of society, there will be a whole host of things that society can justify barring individuals from, for the sake of their health.
That is possible. And that is currently what is happening all over the world including the US. In order to spare the health others , people’s liberties are taken away. We all hate it. It is annoying. Thank goodness I’m not In the US because I would really hate limiting my liberties for Americans. And to be honest, the reason I left the US is because I would NEVER sacrifice anything for a society like the US. I hate them all. Profoundly. I left because why be part of a society if you can’t sacrifice something for its survival. Might as well be a lone wolf...
Being a lone wolf isn’t a bad thing by the way. I’m just annoyed by the preaching of individualism. Just leave. Leave to live with your family, off the grid. Do not call yourself American or part of a society because we can never truly assure individual liberty when you are part of a society. It doesn’t work that way.