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@Cerin: I'm with you on this one. All of these are good points. I might add that Christians do discriminate against other religions by insisting on displaying the 10 Commandments in public and government places, saying that cross is not a Christian sign (recent Scalia's invention and rant).
Maybe Christians don't ban songs (I am just not aware of song bans) but they sure ban and burn books that they deem inappropriate.
By the way I would agree on displaying the 10 Commandments in public if they also include punishment that bible requires for their violation: death for each and single one. People should know how bloody and brutal Christianity actually is.
Joe, your one-liner does not help here. It's just childish to make these kind of statements.
Have you taken the flu vaccine recently? Have you gone to a doctor and get some prescription medicine to fix your ailment? Have you used your cell phone lately? Watched cable TV?
All of this was created by scientists who are overwhelmingly atheists (medicine and biology - evolution, theory of relativity - no need for a god to explain cosmos)
One might argue that TV and cell phones are the root of all our problems and there is a lot to say to support it. That I would agree wholeheartedly.
Oh, that was easy, right? But wait! Who created God? Another God? And another?
Science does not have all the answers but what it does have is a methodology: falsifiable, testable, repeatable research.
You say God created everything. I say Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything. I can SCREAM and swear louder than you so I win. Right? FSM is the cause of the everything. Prove me wrong.
Using your own argument I just proved you're in an intellectual dead end.
@ThePyg: How can you support the war and be for less government? Unless you're for outsourcing the war machine to private contractors it does not make sense. The war and the overreaching Big Brother government go hand in hand. Look: under the pretext of the "war on terror" your phone is tapped, your library records are seized, you're are under surveillance. This cannot be done with a small government machine. You're either for war and big government OR peace and small government.
Spending more than the rest of the world combined on military doesn't facilitate small government.
I am with you on being an atheist, abortion, gay rights, economy though.
What is Right? What is Left? What is considered Right in Russia (communist party) is not what would Americans think of as Right. The Right in GB is much more liberal than in the US. The Left in the US is probably Right in Greece and Italy (democracies, by the way). So let's agree on a definition first.
Left: Social Issues are as equal as or sometimes supersede personal issues. We are responsible for each other. We are a group of people who must live together.
Right: Personal issues are always above everything else. Everybody for him/herself. Personal Responsibility above all. Strict paternalistic and theistic society.
So where am I?
Sometimes I am on the Left (socialized medicine, no war machine, no mass killings in the name of some fictitious war on terror, separation of Church and State).
Sometimes I am on the Right. You are responsible for your life's success and failure. I deeply hate bureaucracy (both corporate and government mind you)
Sometimes it's difficult for me to reconcile these two but hey, we are not robots, are we?
Mostly I find myself supporting American Left (sic)
Your only source of the proof that he was real is a disparate collection of stories written over the course of several thousand years, some of them are really beautiful, some of them are down right ugly and full of hatred and justification of slavery and mass murder of innocent people in the name of a deity.
Any other historical documents of the time don't even mention this supposedly famous and prominent figure. The simplest explanation is most probably the correct one: with no independent confirmation of Jesus' existence he did not exist and therefore wasn't a real person.
Oh, and by the way, SCREAMING doesn't make your argument more valid.
Christians are judgmental by definition. According to the basics of the Christian faith those who don't believe in Christ will go to Hell in the afterlife, those who accepted Christ will go to Heaven. Since there is absolutely no evidence of either place in the actual Universe this is based on pure belief and one particular collection of disparate stories written over the course of several thousand years.
Their belief makes them divide people into two categories: Christians and non-Christians, good people and bad people, people of the right faith and people of the wrong faith (or lack of any faith altogether). Some of the denominations place high value in converting (as they say "saving") other people. This is exactly what judgment is: you think other person is wasting his/her life if they don't follow Christ. They judge the value of another person and act on their judgment.
Therefore, by the very essence of the Christian faith Christians judge other people. They might say they are trying to help lost souls, save their souls, help them discover the truth, etc. etc. but at the core of all this is a judgment call: that person is not worth the Heaven, that person will infinitely suffer for eternity just because he/she doesn't believe in their deity.
Curiously enough if you listen to almost any Christian sermon you would hear pastors judge other Christians more than non-Christians saying phrases such as "Some Christians don't understand...", "Many Christians think...", "I've met some Christians..." etc.
So, yes, Christians are judgmental by the very definition of their faith and they judge both Christians and non-Christians. They are equal opportunity judges of other people.
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