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The problem with this notion is that nobody's personality is such as entirely benefits them. I, for example, have an unmercifully short temper. Thus your definition would, again, label everybody a sufferer of some syndrome or other.

Of course, I agree with you there that nobody‘s personality is such that they only get benefits out of it. That is not to say though that some people do not suffer greater impact, measurable, quantifiable tangible effects of the syndrome in question. Here the amount does matter.

Let us talk about short temper sufferers, since you brought it up. If the temper tantrum is such that the sufferer is not able to learn, if he is truly struggling to be a productive citizen, if he becomes danger for himself or for others, if he is losing control …hum … granted that we cannot prove that his syndrome exists but we damn well know that something is not right. Surely he may consider getting some temper tantrum therapy, maybe some medicine to address the non-existent syndrome.

Case example: homosexuality. Not a syndrome, uncontrollable, and in many cases has been detrimental to the person in question's wellbeing.

Indeed, homosexuality is not a syndrome. However, homosexuality is not a good example. Homosexuality is not harmful to the person’s wellbeing. Society is making it difficult for homosexuals to live peacefully.

The existence of intangible things cannot, by definition, be incontrovertibly proven.

This calls for clarifications:

1) What definition of intangible are you referring to?

2) I beg to differ. There are intangibles that can be proven.

I am not an idiot, sir.

I apologize. You are far from being an idiot, monsieur.

The universe exists. It is observable and, unless one is a metaphysical nihilist, provable. This is your trait (low attention span, boisterousness and what have you). To say that this universe was created by a benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient God is to invent a means by which an effect may be achieved and to justify the existence of this means by exhibiting the effects it was designed to have.

Ouf… Monsieur Enigmatic… Here also your analogy is not correctly used. The God deduction is a long shot and sort of… parachutée. The fact that the universe exists cannot be used for a proof of God but on the other hand the gathering of a certain number of scientific experiments, measurements, observations, will bring a reasonable amount of proof that the Universe does exist.

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The characteristic behaviors of a spectrum disorder (like ADD, Autism, schizophrenia…) occur to a “lesser degree” in the general population. There is a point when the behavior is not normal; it then qualifies as a disorder.

I do agree that everyone (especially children) has short attention spans. Some people are antisocial; it is part of their personality. Everyone, due to stress and fatigue, sometimes has paranoid moments or disordered thinking. I agree.

What about the people whose paranoid moments are extreme to a point that it controls their lives? These people have delusions. Hence, they could start believing that others are conspiring against and mean to harm them. This type of thinking could lead to dangerous actions. Sometimes their disordered thinking prevents them from having a simple conversation with family and friends because no one understands them.

What about the people who are extremely antisocial? They tend to misbehave. All children misbehave though. Yes, but the difference between an autistic child and non-autistic child is for example the great challenge of comprehension and explaining to them that certain behaviors are not acceptable. They do not understand why. It is not people they are stupid. The most certainly are not. It is not because they are insolent little children whose parents did not raise them well. They are incapable of understanding certain things that most of us can.

The same applies to children and adults with ADD/ADHD. Their attention span is shorter than the norm. You can tell a child with ADD to pay attention. He will try but he can’t.

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I believe that we created God. If we live, we are forced to face our human conditions. I believe nature has given us the ability to ask questions about our condition but has forgotten to give us the ability to find an answer. I refuse to create an answer. Others prefer to create an answer because incomprehension is too hard to bare. God was born from our desire to understand.

3 points

When turning 18, we receive certain rights and responsibilities such as the right to vote, the duty to serve on a jury, the right to join the army... At the age of 18, according to the law, we are responsible adults.

Are we not responsible enough to make decisions about alcohol consumption?

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If we use that as a basis upon which to label something a syndrome, we could call any variation of personality a syndrome.

This argument actually almost stands.

The difference stands first in the “effects”. If the variation of personality negatively impacts the person in his/her everyday life, then the variation of personality may be upgraded to a syndrome.

The second part is about the control over the said variation. The person with the variation of personality is not able to control his variation of personality to successfully cope with every day life.

Sir, with the greatest of respect, the issue is whether it exists. Please refer to the title of the debate.

Pardon me, Sir. I was not clear. It should not be the issue.

If it can't be proven, we can't show that is has any effects. What you have described are therefore traits, not symptoms.

The question of proving the existence is actually an interesting one.

As side question to you: what sort of proof would you expect to demonstrate the existence of intangible things such “a thought”, “jealousy”, ”learning process”?

There are several approaches that can be used. We can use observations, deductions, analysis...

One can say “ if I can see it ,then it exists”. We know this can’t always constitute a proof (for example, a mirage).

One can say “if I can’t touch it or measure it, it does not exists”. Then, how do we prove the existence of intangible things like “charisma” and human emotions?

These things do exist (at least the vast majority of us human agree that they do). Yet the only real way that their existence is demonstrated is through their “tangible” effects, through analysis, statistics, deduction.

In fact, this is the way scientific discovery is made. The proof is reasonably achieved through the process of observing the effects, noting the correlations, the similarities, gathering statistics, note the negative impacts etc…

If we can't prove the existence of a syndrome, we cannot reasonably assume that any particular trait is an effect of that syndrome.

No, we cannot.

However, if we can note a series of abnormal behaviors in an individual, we can prove the existence of a syndrome.

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Videlicet, can you verify that short attention span, attention seeking and mood swings are not symptoms commonly encountered in pubescent children?

I agree that these symptoms are commonly encountered in pubescent children. However, note that these are also found in full grown adults as well as very little children.

The issue is not so much about the alleged existence or non-existence of ADHD/ADD but rather about the true impact of the disorder on the individual everyday life. Perhaps it may be true that the disorder per say cannot be proven by for example say a lab analysis but we can very well demonstrate the effects on the individual: the child inability to learn, the adult difficulty in say keeping his assignments.

Certainly we may deny the existence of the disorder due to perhaps lack of direct physical proof, but surely we could not reasonably deny the existence of the impacts on the person actual everyday life.

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If you think about it, the president usually is the image of the people who voted him...unfortunately...

Bush quote: (1) "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" --Florence, South Carolina, Jan. 11, 2000

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Raw talent is nothing without some sort of work.

However, hard work always leads to the development of talents.

Let us take Chinese people in general. They have incredible work ethics. Do we really believe that they were born able to solve every math problem they are given? No. They do 20 math problems everyday until all they have to do is read the first word of a problem to solve it. Now, look at them now. In the US, they fill up all the great medical schools. Without exception.

I actually believe that people who work their way up with nothing at all are more impressive than naturally gifted people.

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Words are very powerful and impact more then what we can imagine.

Again, I agree. Words are very powerful... What are you trying to say?

For instances the word of God.

I don't care about the word of God. That is not the subject of our little discussion. I am talking about the word God. I repeat my question: how does the existence of a word ( like the word God) prove the existence of what that word defines (in this case God)?

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If my wife ever cheats, I will leave her, without a word. She is not worth my anger. Therefore, I will forgive her.

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Are all women jealous?

At this precise moment... I doubt it.

However, have all women been or will be jealous of (something)?

Yes, jealousy is an emotion that everyone can and probably will feel some day... including women.

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