Let's start with a crude reality just to set the tone, shall we? We already have enough people, and I could do without some living ones as it is.

Indeed, lets start by executing abortionists.

Their dying screams...like music to my ears ;)

If I had to choose, I would rather my life be ended as a fetus so I can go find another body to live in, perhaps one with a mother whom would want me for a reason greater than guilt. A reason like love.

So no one can love an adopted child?

Please...your illogical emotive post is utterly pathetic.

Nothing has a soul. We simply live. A spider has as much life as you and I.

Your subjective belief..not a fact.

Facts are something that are divorced from your general understanding it seems.

A spider may well have a spider soul.

I guess you are one of these people who THINKS they understand science and nature...if you knew anything about the universe you would know to retain an open mind and not make subjective assumptions based on your lack of experience and knowledge.

It doesn't matter what it could become. It only matters what it is presently.

That is the problem with people like you isnt it?

You don't see the bigger picture.

A human life is a human life period, regardless of developmental stage or cognitive ability.

You remind me of Hitler in fact...he destroyed human beings he did not consider human too....perhaps you will meet him in Hell.....you could be lovers ;)

So are you saying it's okay to kill something that could potentionally be someone just like you? I can see how it isn't up to you to decide for anyone else, but do you believe that it's okay?

That is exactly what these inhuman murderous animals are saying.

;)

It is an obvious extrapolation from known facts.

No you are making it up from your limited understanding of what it means to exist...otherwise please post some evidence that foetuses are mindless and unaware.

http://ds9.botanik.uni-bonn.de/zellbio/AG-Baluska-Volkmann/plantneuro/neuroview.php

I repeat for the benefit of the poster of this link.

PLANTS DO NOT POSSESS CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEMS.

You seem to have some difficulty accepting this simple premise...so please shove your link up your unscientific behind.

But not a mind... this is what I was arguing against.

Yes your talking nonsense...unsubstantiated nonsense.

A brain is not a mind. They are separate. A mind is a brain with identity.

They respond to sounds and stimuli, they are not really aware. How could they be aware as we think of it when an infant is only starting to develop this aspect of mind?

Your mindless assumption.

Those societies apparently had little need to progress to the point of needing such technology. Remember that inventions come from need and priorities.

Actually the apparent lack of sub saharan technological and industrial progress is due mainly to environmental and ecological factors...such as the lack of the necessary foundations for urbanised civilization.

Including environmental stability, domesticatable animal and plant species, a favourable-for-agriculture continental axis (east west like europe and asia) and many other prerequisites.

Sub saharan Africa lacks many of these prerequisites and still does whilst Eurasia was and remains rich and fertile.

Hence why development was to be restricted to smaller egalatarian communities.

Other factors like the invention of steel and gunpowder had considerable impact accelerating technological development and vastly increasing the military strength and conquering abilities of Eurasian powers.

Sub saharan people are survivors, they had to be and still have to be in much of Africa sadly...this is reflected in their phenotypes...by comparison the white phenotype has had the luxury of relative safety and abundance of food to develop & support a greater number of long term strategists.

The oriental asian phenotype even more so.