tell us whens the last time you run across one of those animals.

there are very few guys out there that are what one might call the middle of the road (combination nice guy /bad boy ) these types are a minority in numbers . yes they do exist. however its either or in most girls minds nice guy / or bad boy-jerks as deffinitions. guys fall into one or the other of these last two options

i agree with you that most grow out of the ahol phase but at times with the nice guys it leaves a bitter taste in their mouths so to speak because their more or less told they have to wait till the girl/woman discovers herself before the nice guys is found. the nice guy already knew what most girls/women need or needed and in some ways provided that while being the platonic friend but at that time just was never seen as boyfriend material. the good thing as mentioned is they do grow out of it most of the time. the nice guys out there may never fully understand it but are glad thatr eventually they can get the girl. the nice guys in general just wish that it would be earlier than so much latter in their lives. in my case it wasn't until i was 25 when i met my gal who had several jerka*'s before me she's 2 years younger than me. we've been together now for 40 years