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...because the state of one unit and another one unit, added together, is defined by humans as two units.

1 and 2 are just numerical representations of countable values. The numerical result after adding one countable unit of something with another one countable unit of the same kind is denoted as 2. So 1 + 1 = 2.

Let's not forget that 1+1 doesn't always result in 2. In the binary system, 1 + 1 equals to 10. No matter what, they are just human-defined representations of values.

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Murder is killing a human being purposely with the intention to end his life. Self-defense is preventing oneself from physical harm where the intention is to stay safe from a threat.

If you shoot someone in self-defense, it's not murder since you just want to defend yourself. But here, abortion obviously involves a deliberate attempt to end someone's life. Therefore it's murder.

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Your provided link from MediaBiasFactCheck.com doesn’t include any specific evidence or hard fact which explains why ACPeds (American College of Pediatricians) is untrustworthy in the field of pediatrics or embryology. However, my own googling showed that ACPeds has a couple of conflict with AAP (The American Academy of Pediatrics), so I will exclude source 3 from the discussion to avoid unnecessary dispute.

Let’s move on to the main part of our discussion.

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"I already explained why sources 2 and 4 did not support your argument. The fetus is not yet a human being nor is abortion illegal, so it isn't murder."

Here is a text in my source 2 from Princeton University, which I want you to take a good look. It says..…

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."

[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29.

The text clearly explains that a human organism is formed in the process of fertilization (conception), which means that the zygote, embryo, or fetus in the womb is indisputably a human being. So abortion, which is, purposely killing a human being who deserves to live and grow, is definitely a murder.

"Is it murder to shoot a deer? That is purposely terminating a life."

Killing a deer is not a murder since it’s not human. But killing a fetus or embryo is a murder since it’s a deliberate termination of a human life.

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Murder is killing a human being purposely with the intention to end his life. Self-defense is preventing oneself from physical harm where the intention is to stay safe from a threat.

To answer your question, it's not murder as long as you don't intend to end someone's life. But abortion obviously involves a deliberate attempt to end someone's life. Therefore it's murder.

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First, do you have any reasonable fact or evidence to claim that American college of pediatricians is a biased or untrustworthy organization?

No matter what, by source 2 and 4, the life of a human begins at conception. So abortion, which is a deliberate and forceful termination of a human life, fits into the definition of murder. If it's not a murder, what would you rather call it? Just removing tissues?

From the analogy you provided, a part of a car is not the car itself, but it has its own value. Whether you steal the entire car or only a part of it, it's still stealing.

The same logic applies here. Just because a zygote, embryo or fetus is not a fully developed human being doesn't mean we can neglect its life. It has the potential to live, grow and survive like a normal human being. So purposely terminating a life is definitely a murder.

It's probably a good idea to discuss why murder is wrong, but it's currently not the point of this debate.

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By Merrian Webster, abortion is defined [1] as “the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus.”

Several references [2][3][4] suggest that human life begins at conception or fertilization, a process where the human being emerges as a zygote, whose formation is taken as the beginning of embryonic development.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion

[2] https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

[3] https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins

[4] https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/yw397w/government-hhs-now-says-life-begins-at-conception

Therefore abortion is a murderous act since it involves a deliberate attempt to kill a human being who deserves to live, grow and prosper just like everyone else.

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By Merrian Webster, abortion is defined [1] as “the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus.”

Several references [2][3][4] suggest that human life begins at conception or fertilization, a process where the human being emerges as a zygote, whose formation is taken as the beginning of embryonic development.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion

[2] https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

[3] https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins

[4] https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/yw397w/government-hhs-now-says-life-begins-at-conception

Therefore we can conclude that abortion is a murderous act since it involves deliberately killing a human being in the womb.

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His argument is neither about politics nor politicians. You need to read it again.

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