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Hi all
Now i will try to show all the roman authors that daniel referenced ,how they failed to be the proof of Jesus resurrection. they are more of allusions rather than actual proof for jesus resurrection/existence.
Pliny ,the governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor, wrote a very short passage to Emperor Trajan in 112CE requesting of how to deal with the troublesome Christians.
Suetonius ,a Roman historian had a list of miscellaneous notes on the legislative matters between 'considering of sale of food in taverns and briefly discussing the behavior of charioteers' in 64 CE. "Punishment was inflicted on the christians, a class of men, given to a new and wicked superstition." but all these sources really tells us nothing on Jesus only that there was a few christian existed in the Roman world.
Suetonius , between 41-54 CE ,under the ruled of emperor Claudius to expel jews from Rome because they constantly made disturbance at the instigation of Crestus. Although Crestus was a popular name but often taken as the corruption of "christ" ,the greek versions of Hebrew 'Messiah'.Hence at that time , any 'would-be Messiah' would be a rousing jew rebellion. so the supposition that any reference to 'Christ' necessarily referred to Jesus christ is totally unfounded. Furthermore ,jesus had never visited Rome. Therefore , all that we being told is that Claudius had to deal with many troublesome jews which was a regular occurrence in Roman history.
Considering Tacitus
His writings about the great fire of Rome in 64CE ,Nero blamed the christians for it to eliminate that rumor which was Nero ,himself who started the blaze.
As governor of Asia (c.112 CE) he must have been familiar with the Christians "troublemakers" as his friend ,Pliny obviously was.
Though Tacitus further characterized christians as 'audio humani generic' that is detestable(or odious) to the human race. He say that they were pitied because of their brutal punishments.
The only thing that would make Tacitus writings ,an independent testimony of the existence/resurrection of jesus and not merely repetitions of the christians beliefs would be if he had gained his information about christ crucifixion under Pontius Pilate from the copious records that the Roman kept of their legal dealings. But this does not seems to be the case, for Tacitus call Pilate the "procurator" of Judea when he was in fact a "prefect" so Tacitus is clearly not following the records at that time but merely quoting a Hearsay information from his own day.
there are other problems ,in Tacitus story ,the Annals was written in ca.120AD nearly a century after the traditional dates of the crucifixion. Did he actually have a record of the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate or did he simply accept what christians claimed about their religion ?
In Antiquities 18:3:3 "….. He was the Christ;and when Pilate…."
Considering Josephus referred jesus as 'Christ' the greek versions of Hebrew 'Messiah'.He too was among the "tribe of christians," One would expect him to be converted after Josephus "mentioned" Jesus to be the Messiah. Yet Josephus remained loyal to both Jew and Rome ,throughout his life.
Later in Antiquities 20:9:1 "the brother of Jesus ,who was called christ" Here jesus is not called 'the christ' only someone call christ.
see the difference ,there is an contradiction here
Josephus mentioned jesus as he recorded the passing of James (Antiquities 20.9.1) ,and this is the only time that he mentioned Jesus. had he really thought Jesus as the messiah ? why mentioned jesus only once ?
it seems highly unlikely ,Not only he NOT mentioned Jesus again ,he didn't utter those christians again. This is odd ,since he was acquainted with the rule of Nero and lived into the period of Domitian.
Because of all of these problems ,the account of jesus by Josephus is a fraud. the "Jesus account" rather more like an interpolation by a later christian copyist. By critical scholarship ,has revealed them to be a much later additions to Josephus text. they are not same hand & contents writing style as Josephus. but if they remove the forged passage ,the original passage flows more in proper sequence.
Furthermore ,Origen tells us that Josephus didn't mention Jesus and that he did not even believe that he was christ since he had never believe in any jewish messiah figure.
Origen was quoted by St Jerome as advising presbyters in the church who were 'forced by circumstance to lie ',The need to observe the rules of the art of lying and to use the lie when arguing with a disbeliever in order to win that person over to important Christian points. St Jerome himself claimed to write in a lying manner and cited in support of the practice, number of greek and latin christian writers before him, he named St Paul as a liar.
Most theologians believe that its was Bishop Eusebius who fabricated the passage ,when he admitted of rewriting Josephus works in 329 AD. As the passage is not found prior to Eusebius (260-339) era.
(Ecclesiastical history ,Eusebius)
end of part one
happy holidays
best regards
"How well we know ,
what profitable superstition this Fable of christ
has been for us." --Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Hi
"have you read the bible? please tell me contradictions instead of telling me it is a contradiction. as for lord of the rings, it was written by a Christian and is in some instances a analogy to the bible."
well, an analogy to the bible LOTR ,how is that so?
you want Contradictions you have it ,to named a few
referring to the resurrection of story of Jesus in all gospels in detail ,none of them are parallel
Judas death they are two versions
the genocide of children of Herod is a fraud because no historical evidence to substantiate
let me give you a geographical contradiction see Lk4:29
Nazareth wasn't built 'on/near a cliff' in the first place ,obviously the author/s (YHWH) had poor palestine geographical knowledge. there are more
please research & reply with references
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enjoy
"How well we know ,
what profitable superstition this Fable of christ
has been for us."
Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Hi
Hey due
its Not yesterday news that the bible is full oF errors ,even more after translations that is excluding the contents ,contexts ,geographical and historical contradictions.
well ,surly you would agree that we all can believe anything we want. but what you believe its just "true" to you only ,what's facts may not be what you believe....
in addition ,if you still want to believe what's in the bible .well of course you can but remember its with all the errors after translations & with the contents ,contexts ,geographical and historical contradictions as well. so good luck
best regards
"How well we know ,
what profitable superstition this Fable of christ
has been for us."
Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Hi all
"How could you pre-arrange a prophesy of ressurection. It was a miracle."
why NOt
if you and your helpers knew and believe the "prophecies" strongly , there is nothing that could stopped all of you from staging the whole thing. at least for your own assurance of your belief.
Besides ,the resurrection story in MARK(earliest gospel) is an addition ca.500AD or later
In the Codex Sinaiticus (350AD) the earliest compiled bible ,the last of Mark verse stopped at 16:8 beyond that is the immediately start of gospel of LUKE.
however , in the papyrus scrolls ,there is NO record of the 'extended verses on resurrection of Jesus in mark' found in that formed.
therefore , the resurrection story of Jesus was not a universally accepted doctrine during gospel times. such a landmark area of Jesus surly the omission is a calling of alarm of doubt on the authenticity on the contents regarding Jesus written in the gospels.
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Hi all
first of all
testimonies of this kind are common in all kind of faiths...and that ,why your YHWH didn't make that only exceptions for christianity ? why is it that other faiths/religions have their own miracles/testimonies like yours ? why ?
I had witness more miraculous cases than yours and they aren't christian !!
just because you don't believe them doesn't mean your belief is factual either.
Therefore ,without exceptions miracles/testimonies are common among all faiths/religions. it don't make christianity any more "true" than any other belief systems ok?
best regards
"How well we know ,
what profitable superstition this Fable of christ
has been for us."
Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
hi all
"If the only god (who is the christian god) is evil, why are we lucky enought to have the internet, free education, food and drink, friends and shelter???"
hello !
Having "the internet, free education, food and drink, friends and shelter???" doesn't mean YHWH didn't create evil....
since you said that those things were created by Us then what is it got to do with YHWH ?
PLease read the bible ,Isa 45:7 its says YHWH created EVIL
and
Besides those things that we create can be used in evil ways too.
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Hi all
the bible is full mistakes even after translations and many wrong translations due the christian own agenda.
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Hi all
how can god inspired the bible with all the inconsistencies and contradictions because that itself is one big contradiction
YHWH ,an absolute being ,inspired such a horrible written book ? even human work like "lord of the rings" is better.
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Hi all
when you are talking about history , is NOT what you believe anymore ,it's about what factually took place.....
of course you can still believe whatever you wish ,but that doesn't mean what you believe factually took place......please do bear that in mind.
the bible cannot even be consistence on its contents and self-contradictory most of the time ,how can you say its accurate ?
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Hi all
Anonymus7894 you are so sure that the bible lines up the history completely ? first of all , you need to know the History before you say that.....
can you reference me a historical record of the children genocide of Herod other then the bible ?
How can you call that prophecy ,you can pre-arrange them "the happenings" and called them prophesies ?
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