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That makes more sense than Eternal Torment. If a soul did not want to live, why not destroy them? Plust justice means undoing a wrong, and eliminating them would be destroying a wrong.

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That is the biggest religious lie out there. People say the bible speaks about hell as this place of unending agony. But that is based on gross errors. First off, in the old testament, Hell has been translated from Sheol, which was the same word used for grave. Gehenna was also translated as hell, was really just a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, considered by the jews at the time a place of dishonorable burial. Then people assume that the bible says the fires are eternal. Eternal was translated incorrectly from aion, which means a period of time which is indefinite with beginning and end. In the scriptures, fire is symbolic for a cleansing agent, not some torture tool. If you put something in fire, its not going to be tortured forever, it is going to eventually burn up to nothing but ash. In fact, many verses preach about going through fire, and being made pure. "Tested through fire". Several verses in the New and Old testament talk of a final restoration of all creation, and salvation being given to all. In fact, in the Old Testament, God hated the act of burning someone alive in a fire. He also specifically told the Israelites not to learn the ways of the Heathens. They all believed in Hellfire, but the Israelites did not. However once the Israelites did learn the heathen ways, they adopted that foul doctrine. The Pharisees who Jesus reprimanded the most were hellfire believers, and they were the greatest stench of rotten fruit. Todays Churches that boldly teach hellfire are the most like the Pharisees. Also known as the Fundamentalists. So contrary to popular belief, that doctrine is the most opposed to the bible. In fact the early Greek fathers who read Greek, and outside of Roman influence believed in Universal Salvation. Both Augustine and Basil recognize that most people believed this. Hellfire came from the church in Rome, which was more Pagan than Christian. Augustine was the first to boldly preach all those pessimistic doctrines we find in the church today like people born deserving of hell, eternal torment, original sin. But Augustine was actually a Manichaean, which was a belief that Good and Evil would have a duel, and one exist in one place and the other in another place. The bible teaches that Evil will be annihilated, not separated. However Universal Salvation was a belief that never died out, despite the fact that Rome condemned it in favor for eternal Hell. However they were always a little flock like the bible foretold in the current age.

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I dont think that the whole creation story was meant to tell us the exact science of the creation of the world. Like we know from hard evidence that the world was not created in six literal days. Even the bible does not refer to a day as 24 hours.

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But jobs dont come by so easily and its not really a good thing to create a system where someone has control over everything. Power can and does corrupt people. About religion, not all left wings are against religious expression, they just dont want the government making laws based on another religions ideals. There are many right wings out there who seek to create a theocratic government.

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Actually there is a lot of misunderstanding of what Jesus, the Prophets and his apostles really taught.

1. That millions of souls are doomed to eternal torment. That is not taught in the original greek scriptures. The original greek translated in English to mean a place of eternal damnation was not supported in the original greek. Aion, which was translated into eternity really means time indefinite. The scriptures referred to traditionally as hell really signify a place of temporary chastisements to prepare one for salvation. Plus several places in the bible speak of a total restoration of everything created, and an end to sin, death and "Hell".

Now if you want to know my take on the so called form of Christianity taking over the churches, I would say its self contradicting. God is love, but he'll send you off into a painful eternity because of some finite bad decisions. No matter how you try to justify it, it does not make any sense. You choose hell? Who would choose to go into a lake of fire. OR God doesnt invade our supposed "Free will", and will let the ignorant blindly walk into a lake of fire? If they are so beyond redemption, would it not be fair to just kill them? What kind of paradise would heaven be if most of your family is being tortured in some hellfire?

But that doctrine was made up by the church to exercize control over the mass. They did that in ancient cultures too.


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