You could otherwise also make claims about all activities that are related to the mistreatment of man of any kind, and make up such conclusions. If there was no hurt, pain and suffering, then why bother to make such claims about god. God should let humanity be prisoners forever, therefore there is no pain to experience of any kind. I could make some good analogies about why rape could be considered as a catalyst for change, any form of mistreatment can be used as a catalyser for adding value to the causes in societal, moral and psychological development.

I myself do not believe in a god, but making such rude commentary on that god is a rape voyeur, doesn't get you anywhere.

Beautiful, zephyr20x6. You are great at advicing people. I love to read your posts.

Check this out my cartman, mr cartman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-c-xc24C8g

In some sense, I am glad history turned out the way it turned out to be so, you see we as a human race, have taking annotation from the lessons of history, we as a collective are highly conditioned from preventing violence to happening again, we see violence as a problem rather then a solution, it took years of inbreeding in the collective human mind for violence to be condemned so harshly, you see the news is full of condemnation of violent acts, we have built a large shield against anti-social behavior, and am happy to be it so.

I like the red vs blue comparison, even though, red and blue are both functioning on the same dimension of level and degree, preferences are in an equal range. It's clear that we can't argue much when it's about colours, but we could argue about foods, cars, games, clothes, music and so on. We could argue more explicitly about the level and degree of violence, verbal language, behavior and so on. It also matters in which context an experience arises. Some level of violence are more appropriated in different countries as in other countries. You see the remedy for a better phramework for morality is an improvement in all different facets of a life, it's the only way, for other peoples culture, preferences, relationships, personalities to change to a better state. We can't argue about an absolute moral phramework, but we could argue about relativistic moral phrameworks. But there are correlations to be made.

Exactly, I support your arguments. There is definitively no evidence or statistics showing for atheists to have no moral code.

Yes, they can here's why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlV3YxgwaF0

Dude, I have these same urges. It's born out of fear, also out of creativity

Religion is outmoded for the greatest majority of the western world in my opinion.