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Dyphs(55) Clarified
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I don't think I said anything about Hitler inventing Jew-hating.

If I can recall, I remember saying that Hitler only created a mass genocide for "the whole Jew package," this including the "money changing shit" you're talking about. Of course he didn't invent Jew hating, otherwise people would have just stood there like "what the hell is he talking about?" But because the Germans disliked the Jews for their wealth and is ushery, they agreed with Hitler's statements about Jews.

Did you know that Hitler may have detested Jews because

1) he blamed the Jews for losing WW1

2) he was not accepted into an art academy because of Jewish professors

3) he felt that Jews were stealing away jobs from the Germans after WW1

4) anti-Semitism was already prevalent, and Hitler just upped the ante

The more you know. :)

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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Now THAT'S more of the argument I'm looking for. :)

You do make a point, but is it not because of the stories of bullying, raping, burglaries, etc. that make us wary of the world around us? My mini life story was just a standpoint of how people like me can become stronger, but so can people who've never experienced such before. These people, though, if not naive, tend to be cautious of their surroundings. How do they know that they might be offered drugs along the way home or told to get into a white van?

They don't.

That is why we have those mini class talks with the teacher about refusing drugs and to stay in school and whatnot.

So my conclusion is that bullying can have, either directly or indirectly, its benefits. The stories of more desperate victims of bullying (i.e Amanda Todd) causes the youth of America (and possibly parents) to boil in rage against such enormities. This causing the civilians of such a wicked world to raise awareness.

So doesn't bullying also help destroy ignorance (in most people...hopefully)?

Same with stories of terrorism, rapings, and robberies.

So basically, yes they are horrible enormities, but past stories and experiences help to destroy ignorance and allow some to focus on the "real world" instead of binge watching My Little Pony and thinking that you're in some mystical, friendly world. That's not our world.

In the end, bullying is horrible and should never be done, but that doesn't mean that others must stop being cautious around themselves, whether they've gone through it or not.

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"Morally wrong?"

First off, you forgot one thing:

Meat is rich in protein, and it is an essential macro-nutriet in order to survive. Nowadays, we don't need to eat meat since there are protein supplements, but what about back then?

Do you think it was normally wrong to eat meat in a time when hunger was the greatest fear and certain foods were necessary for survival? How else would these ancient people get their protein?

Obviously they can't drive by a pharmacy and pick up a couple of nutrient supplements. They had to get their nutrients in an, to vegans at least, inhumane way.

So if it wasn't wrong to eat meat back then, why is it now?

Has that not been the cycle, just as lions prey on certain animals?

Animals are mot as advanced as we are, but remember--not everyone is able to acquire these essential nutrients for twenty bucks a bottle. You might as well just buy five dollar meat and you're still getting the same benefits.

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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Haha, at least you have apologized, and I forgive you (no sarcasm intended). I too have, while arguing, questioned whether the flood of insults were necessary, and although I have insulted myself just to prove my point, I apologize for insulting you.

In the future, if we do end up debating again and I sneak in a few harsh words, make sure you can argue against me without sounding hypocritical (well, at least to me), no offense.

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I doubt you've cared to read the whole thing.

But that's okay, assumptions are merely assumptions.

If you DID read the whole essay, good job. But you read it quite...Wrong.

But your conclusion has nothing to do with what I was asking.

There was clearly a DISCLAIMER in the beginning of the paragraph, and I had said that if you were to read the whole story for some reason, I had only put it up to give others a clearer view of bullying and how it psychologically affected me. And then near the end of the tedious story, I said that I did not need sympathy, because I don't deserve it. You forget the main reason why I posted this debate up, I don't need sympathy, I just want answers.

The reason why I made this debate was to see people's view on the benefits of bullying, or if bullying does not have any benefits at all.

And to those who read the essay fully, I added a mini question that was unrelated to giving sympathy in any way, but rather to come up with a conclusion as to why some people like me use bullying as an excuse to run away from reality.

Next time, try making better guesses.

It seems that this argument you're trying to make is merely an attempt to get more points instead of trying to make a valid point.

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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Again, you are rephrasing what I have already said. And I didn't say anything was wrong with it, but since your views were quite similar to mine, I assumed that you simply paraphrased what I had already said, but of course, with a slight difference from mine, which is why I had approved of your statement as "valid." I see no need for you to dispute against me, I was basically "okaying" your statement in a rather complex way. So if you were truly not referring to my views, then an "OKAY" it is for you. No harm in there, right?

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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As anyone could have seen, I left some key words such as "may" or "my view" to show that I am not 100% sure of what I am saying is true to others, and myself even. And you have re-phrased what I have already said in my essay (although you probably didn't read it for the sake of your time), "At the very least one cannot claim that bullying always benefits the bullied."

I said something similar to that, although I'm being overthrown by lethergy so I'm unable to search for the phrase.

But yeah, I suppose your opinion is valid...

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See, but "I don't buy it." :)

For you to assume that hostility is a way to cover up one's mistakes is erroneous. Are you excluding the other ideas as to way I confronted you with such an arrogant attitude? Perhaps I've had a bad day, and although I have no right to vent out anger on a complete stranger, hey, things happen. Not saying that today's a crpppy day, rather you have no right to assume my motives for hostility. Therefore if you have the right to assume, does that not mean I can, too? You fail to give sufficient and logical reasons as to why my hostility relates to a "cover up of a mistake." Hey, if I knew a person like you would roll along and tell me what colloquial phrases I should be using, believe me, I would have done it in the getco to avoid staying up at 11PM continuously disputing against your irrational assumptions. The reason why I showed hostility was (get ready for it) because I can act like a stuck-up bitch when disputed against. You should have clarified me instead, who are you to assume whether I was exaggeratingly or literally saying "the statement?" Beforehand, I had not even insulted you, and it would have been best if you just hit the clarify button rather than the dispute button. As you have said, to clarify is to make things clear. Please, get on the safe side, you were and are no one to determine what phrases I use.

Believe as you wish, but your hypocrisy is pretty evident...

And then....

For you to say "So hopefully...you will stop being so hostile to people."

First off,

Keyword: PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

P-E-O-P-L-E.

Umm...can you please root out an example of when I have been unreasonably hostile to someone other than you?

Also, I don't mind being insulted as long as I've had my share fair of insulting. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy, which you have labeled as "a teaching." Well, I believe I didn't ask for my parents let alone a stranger teach me moral values, but okay.

You say that fourteen-year-olds don't know much about "the real world." See, if it wasn't an insult, why bring it up? What does the real world have to do with my aggressiveness? What does it have to do with your list of statistics? Please CLARIFY.

I don't need you to "cut off slack" for a fourteen year old like me...

Your way of phrasing it would make anyone believe that you have attempted to insult them.

Okay, so your fourth paragraph is the only which I cannot dispute against, but of course you cannot see the sarcasm of my statements when I said "Adults must know so much about the real world." OF COURSE statistics improve your chances of mking a point, but people like me only see a list of numbers that try to make the amount of Muslim terrorists an understatement. So yeah, great usage of statistics and yadayadayada...

AND LASTLY

PLEASE.

I'm honestly dying. (EXAGGERATION)

An apology preceded by a bunch of insults?

Label each insult I have thrown upon you on the last argument I posted. Excluding calling you a hypocrite, that wasn't an insult. It was more of an explanation of how you can easily go against your "preachings" about civilized beings and whatnot.

And yippeee, you, alas, have been able to identify sarcasm.

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Again, his username is quite self-explanatory.

He might as well be throwing a temper tantrum with that kind of maturity level.

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God, my story is so freaking long... okay, a continuation.

SKIP DOWN TO LAST PARAGRAPH IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ THE STORY.

I blankly looked at her. I had already experienced being bullied, I told myself as I walked home that afternoon, so why should I have done the same to others?

For a week I ignored the girl's confrontation, although it gnawed on my consciousness for day, but I dared not lay another insulting word.

Finally a girl began to spread rumors about a boy in our class being gay.

I decided to stand up for the boy and began to insult the girls that played a significant role in the defamation of his character.

That day was the first time I'd ever gotten a detention for "inappropriate behavior and language."

The girls were let off, but karma decided to lock me back up in its cage and toy with me. I lost all of my so-called friend and I was even ridiculed by the same boy that I defended.

Yeah, I cried.

And so I transferred once again in seventh grade, and eventually graduated to, currently, attend a prestigious high school (and number one in my state :D). And some of you are probably questioning how I could even make light out of this...I just don't care anymore, I suppose. Throughout these hardships, only two people have cared to listen to me, my mother and father.

I have regretted my mistakes, my decisions, my life even.

But bullying has already hardened me, and I find it difficult to be innocent again. Yet I am thankful. Had I never experienced this, I may have been a soft-hearted shithead that would find anything offensive.

Bullying has taught me the no.1 life lesson--No one will listen to you until you raise your voice.

Pretty basic, right?

But I think newcomers to the world of being bullied may take this message the wrong way and...commit suicide.

There are strong people that may haven't been exposed to these adventures, but only because their mom or dad nags them about the real world. I didn't have those kinds of parents, though.

I don't need sympathy, because I don't deserve it. The reason why I posted this tedious essay was to "simply" ask:

What is the MAIN benefit of being bullied?

And to those that actually read the whole thing...can you help me find a conclusion as to why I felt the need to bully others?

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Pretend that I was over-exaggerating?

First off, why would I?

I wasn't debating against you in the first place, only with LibProlifier (well, it wasn't necessarily a debate, rather a continuous argument of clarifications). If you can easily claim that I was lying about over-exaggerating, then does that not mean that I, too, have the right to claim that you are copying and pasting? So I admit, YES, AS A FOURTEEN year old, that I am at fault, but you're no better to assume that what I metaphorically or exaggeratingly imply is merely a cover-up for mistakes. And if you're going to "disagree" with my tendency to over-exaggerate, you might as well just go around the world trying to correct everyone. Do as you might, but if my arguments are vague enough for you to not understand that statement, I sympathize for you and your perfectionism.

And then the little part where you say that I'm hurling insults instead of being mature...

What is there to be mature about for someone who simply cannot THINK outside of the box (I BELIEVE THIS HAS BEEN REPHRASED LIKE THREE TIMES NOW), and for you to dispute against immaturity, again, your hypocrisy has already shown. If I'm just a FOURTEEN year old that is naive enough for you to think so, shouldn't you be a proper role model, 'o master? Telling me to pay attention in English class and that I don't know enough about the real world...

Think before you speak (rather type, haha), because if you're such a mature adult, as you are implying, then you wouldn't need to go up to Google to find statistics. I mean, adults must know SO MUCH ABOUT THE "REAL WORLD." They wouldn't have to refer to Google to assist them on a dispute, right?

You're no better than me, so I suggest that if you're going to run off as a hypocrite and using age to degrade someone, then you're better off debating against someone that is inept enough to not see through your hypocrisy.

So what do you need, an apology?

I'm rather respectful to adults, so I'll apologize. :)

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Have you cared to read my response to your little dispute against my over-exaggeration? Can you not think outside the box, as previously phrased, for yourself and for the understanding of others? So while you're here copying and pasting facts from sites just to debunk me, you're going to ignore the fact that when I said "the majority of every Muslim," IT WAS OF COURSE AN EXAGGERATION!!!

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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Are you directing this to me or instg8tor?

Because as you can see, I was disputing against this irking fellow for ridiculing you.

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Rather than art recreating reality, art IS the recreation of reality. But either way, art and reality form closely related bonds that allow the artist to connect from their mind to the real world.

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Your username is quite self-explanatory, so I need not waste words on instigators like you.

But your comments make that statement degrade itself.

"I know that this site is about debating serious topics."

For some, yes.

But you aren't even debating. If your main goal here is to insult others for no apparent reason, then at least consider making your insults a little clear. Please, even the admin of the debate is more easily understood than your curt remarks.

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True, you should. "Named" would be if you were to refer to a proper noun, and when used in a sentence: "I know this girl named Carol."

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Everyone makes grammatical errors every once in a while. Although people solely depend on spell-check (and I admit I do, too), errors such as misusage, erroneous punctuation, etc. are quite common, even among people with English as their first language. I, personally, have had a past where I was ridiculed for my stupidity with the English language. And yes, English is my main language, excluding my heritage from another country. I can see where your statements come a bit erroneous grammatically...But I have some friends who are dyslexic or just bad when it comes to language arts. Never have they been ridiculed for their slight lisps, wrong usage of vocabulary, or poorly written essays. Your classmates are simply trying to put you down, they should know that not everyone is perfect in everything. What I have done to excel in language arts is that I simply pay, with my uppermost, attention when this subject is present, when in school or at home. Groaning about your grammatical mistakes does nothing, you just have to prove them wrong in your way. Good luck!

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THANK YOU.

Exactly, potential threats may hold a significance in the role of Isis and other terrorist organizations. Yet so little of the people that actually do the damage can only do so much, and with the help of potential terrorists, as LittleMisfit said, America would be in a toast.

I agree with you.

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I see that you do not take over-exaggeration well, as typical for butt-hurt debators. Besides, why are you disputing when this should be a clarification? Clearly you don't know how to read before you click on the buttons. Also, great copying and pasting. Next time try paraphrasing from what you take from other sites. Nice statistics, still you're not proving any point. Again, your argument should be a clarification since you clearly can't think outside of the box.

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Oh, sure! Letting them have some NBC and free HBO SURE does let them off easy. You should be aware that in certain prisons, they let off criminals easy. On top of that, you get free food! There are even recreation centers and libraries. I see what sense you're making here. As you can see, the life in prison penalty can be repealed, thus the criminal can go have his freedom and become whatever they want. SURE, having murderers out on the loose seems like a rational idea, right?

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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Yes, yes they were. But why was this able to happen? Because of due process. Trump here is attempting to do this, with, of course, legislative authority. So with this authority, you DID say that there must be due process to do this...

And yet the Japanese that were locked up were done so by legislative authority. I am personally neutral in this argument since I cannot take sides. This debate in particular is making me question the country's system of control.

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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True, it does so. But did it not violate the Japanese's rights when they were forcibly locked up under uncomfortable conditions? They were locked up because they were JAPANESE. And the Japanese, like the Muslims, were sending off intel to their country. How do you think Muslims can be ensured to not betray our country?

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Oh really? I do believe that executions have its own flaws in certain ways, such as waiting thirty days until execution and a nice fancy feast before your death, but allowing them to live despite the mass amount of murderers... Do you think they are able to regret what they have commited while having a roof over their head and free food, right along with education? Try looking at your sense of justice instead of lookinh for ways to penny-pinch. Money does not account for a lost life.

Dyphs(55) Clarified
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Don't take this the wrong way, because I am not disputing against your opinion. This is merely a clarification. See, the Jews were quite innocent back then. Hitler didn't perform a genocide for their religion, but rather for the whole Jew package. Here, we have the majority of every Muslim joining terrorist groups, attacking people for no significant reason other than to control. I would rather say that this situation is similar to America locking up the Japanese just to stay safe. But then again, I too believe that Trump is presenting a rather idiotic idea, but effective in it's own way...


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