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Unlike what CERN tells the public, the Large Hadron Collider Safety Assessment Group (LSAG) writes that current safety arguments are not valid proof of safety. Micro black holes might be created by the Large Hadron Collider, they might not evaporate, they might grow quickly and we have not been damaged by cosmic rays because cosmic rays pass harmlessly through Earth. CERN does tell the public that a new safety report has been completed, but so far the final report is kept secret from the world’s scientists.

CERN's Public Safety Web Site: http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/ Safety-en.html

Safety Concerns Public web site: http://www.LHCFacts.org

The problem is that this experiment might be unsafe, actually it might be really really unsafe.

A court case before US Federal Courts to compel reasonable proof of safety has its first hearing on June 16, 2008 in Hawaii.

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I hear numerous scientists repeat the theory that micro black holes evaporate. The theory has been around for more that 30 years. But what do recent scientific studies that attempted to confirm the theory say?

Dr. Adam D. Helfer: Do black holes radiate?

Quote: “no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes“

Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold: On the Universality of the Hawking Effect

Quote: “Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question“

Prof. V.A. Belinski: On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole “quote”

Quote: “…the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist.“

That does not sound too reassuring to me. Sounds like micro black holes are just as likely to grow as evaporate.

What about growing too slowly to pose a threat?

Professor Dr. Otto E. Rössler

Quote translated from German: “ …after 50 months the earth to a centimeter would have shrunk. It would be nothing more there, not only no more life, there but also the earth would be… a small black hole."

Learn More at LHCFacts.org

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Since CERN predicts that the Large Hadron Collider MIGHT create micro black holes at a rate of ONE PER SECOND, why should we consider this safe? What is the known margin of safety?

CERN does assure the public that there is "no risk". But they have always said that, except when they said minimal risk (alleged in the legal action in US Federal Courts). Why no reasonable risk? Do we know if micro black holes might be dangerous, even possibly an existential threat to the planet?

A. Do micro black holes evaporate? (Best answer: Unknown, no compelling case to say they would evaporate based on several recent studies).

B. How fast would a micro black hole grow if it did not evaporate? (Best answer: Unknown, no compelling evidence of either slow or fast growth. Credible theories predict both.)

If micro black holes evaporate or grow extremely slowly, then they will not destroy the planet. But we don't currently know the answer to those questions... CERN recently stated that a new safety study has been completed that proves reasonable safety. But this report has not been released to the public.

Learn more at LHCFacts.org



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