It's easy when they start off by saying they are Socialist (communism was very "out" for a while. Just another one of the many terms).
Do you not even realize that there has never been a communist country? Every country run by a legitimate communist party was actually in a primitive stage of socialism. They call themselves communists because communism is their goal, but the actual system that countries like the USSR had is called a socialist republic.
They start by stating clearly that they are Socialists. They are hailed by other socialists around the world. They have some economic strong points to tout for a bit. Then they collapse.
Many of the countries that were called socialist were actually socialist, many were not. Many started out with good intentions but turned out bad, many started out with bad intentions but claimed to be socialist because socialist rhetoric sounds very nice to a poor working class and convinces them to walk right into the jaws of fascism. And yes, believe it or not some of them even did socialism right, but indeed they all have collapsed. But you don't know why they collapsed, not because of socialism, but because capitalists hate socialism and marxism and do everything they can to sabotage it. There is not a single real socialist country that collapsed for any reason other than foreign influence or internal coup.
It's when they collapse that all the socialists say it was never actually socialism anyway. That's an easy burden of proof to overcome.
There were plenty real ones that collapsed, because of sanctions, invasions, internal sabotage etc. But never because socialism itself is the spawn of satan and will give you cancer.
Don't you remember why you always lose the Marx debates? It's because I am actually willing to refer to Marx.
Yes you love cherry picking things off the internet and claiming that people who have studied Marx directly and without a massive right wing bias are the ones who don't know Marx.
