God is antichoice.
1. He creates or allows evil. 2. He whines about said evil. 3. He has a total shit fit over his grudge towards Adam and Eve on the rest of us. What was that I heard about children not dying for their father's sins somwhere in Ezekeiel. Checkmate. 4. He forces people to suffer against their will. Before you whine, I remind you of trture victims and rape victims. 5. One word; war. 6. Murder. 7. AIDS. 8. Cancer. 9. PTSD. 10. OCD (its a bitch having a shitty memory. 10. Westboro. Enough said. 11. iI want some theist somwhere to admit this truth. 12. Oops, I forgot Hell. And the fallen angels.
I agree.
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I disagree.
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1. He creates or allows evil. Isn't the creation of evil giving man the power to choose? I don't see how that limits choice. 2. He whines about said evil. Again, how does the prove that he is anti-choice? The act of whining about evil shows that humans have chosen evil which means that humans have choices. 3. He has a total shit fit over his grudge towards Adam and Eve on the rest of us. What was that I heard about children not dying for their father's sins somewhere in Ezekeiel. Checkmate. Where did the bible allude to a possible grudge? In my opinion is that sin itself is just basic human nature. Not necessary an actual thing. Religious people may disagree with me on that though. 4. He forces people to suffer against their will. Before you whine, I remind you of torture victims and rape victims. If God didn't commit the act then how is he forcing you to suffer? The perpetrator would be the oppressor in the situation right? 5. One word; war. What's wrong with war? How does that limit choice? 6. Murder. How does this limit choice? If God limited choice according to his wills then murder wouldn't be possible. 7. AIDS. AIDS/HIV does not show a limitation of choice. 8. Cancer. How does cancer make God antichoice? 9. PTSD. Still, how does this make God antichoice? 10. OCD (its a bitch having a shitty memory. 10. Westboro. Enough said. You have two "10's". Also how do these make God antichoice? 11. iI want some theist somwhere to admit this truth. Not sure you will, so far these aren't proving your case here. Unless I'm having a misunderstanding. 12. Oops, I forgot Hell. And the fallen angels. Now here you may have case. Let me start on hell first, hell seems to manifest fear and people wish to resist fear. God is using hell to influence your decision, but it isn't a sure fire method. It still works apparently. The fallen angels shows Gods wrath towards those who wish to take his throne or go against him so in a sense that can be a limitation of choice, but God allowed the attempt so in another sense it isn't. Side: I disagree.
Again, how does the prove that he is anti-choice? The act of whining about evil shows that humans have chosen evil which means that humans have choices. How come their choices bother Him so much? He cleary is not happy that people make choices. Where did the bible allude to a possible grudge? Original sin. You have two "10's". Also how do these make God antichoice? Her OCD caused her to repeat "10" and avoid numbering the fallen angels so that she didn't write the number 13 in the description because it is unlucky. She doesn't have a choice to go against her OCD. :) Now here you may have case. Let me start on hell first, hell seems to manifest fear and people wish to resist fear. God is using hell to influence your decision, but it isn't a sure fire method. It still works apparently. God wants to have some control over your decisions, but somehow, is not anti-choice? Side: I agree.
How come their choices bother Him so much? He Clary is not happy that people make choices. You're asking the wrong person, sir. Original sin. That wasn't a grudge, it was punishment. The bible makes that clear. A grudge would be a case in where God didn't punish Adam and Eve and held in his anger. Punishment isn't always the resultant of a grudge. Her OCD caused her to repeat "10" and avoid numbering the fallen angels so that she didn't write the number 13 in the description because it is unlucky. She doesn't have a choice to go against her OCD. :) I didn't notice that, but that is a genetic thing, not a religious thing. Actually that's a psychological thing. That is not attributed to God. God wants to have some control over your decisions, but somehow, is not anti-choice? The bible makes it clear that the choice is yours. Anti choice would be God negating the ability to make choices. Someone can choose to completely oppose God. Lucifer would be a great example. He faced consequence. His decision wasn't prevented, thus choice is prevalent in his case. Unless I am misunderstanding somethings you could clarify for me. Side: I agree.
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Isn't the creation of evil giving man the power to choose? I don't see how that limits choice. "Be perfect or go to Hell" is not freedom of choice. That is choosing do you want your arm or your leg cut off. a hostage or rape situation. Again, how does the prove that he is anti-choice? The act of whining about evil shows that humans have chosen evil which means that humans have choices. God is whining about something that HE created. #hypocrisy Where did the bible allude to a possible grudge? In my opinion is that sin itself is just basic human nature. Not necessary an actual thing. Religious people may disagree with me on that though. The Bible says both that through one man sin entered the world, and that children should not die for their parents, making it a complete contradiction. If God didn't commit the act then how is he forcing you to suffer? The perpetrator would be the oppressor in the situation right? “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” -Epicurus What's wrong with war? How does that limit choice? It limits someone's choice to not die in a war. How does this limit choice? If God limited choice according to his wills then murder wouldn't be possible. I find it sick that you defend a murder's freedom over the victim's right to live. AIDS/HIV does not show a limitation of choice. Yes it does. It limits someone's rightful choice not to be sick. How does cancer make God antichoice? Someone's right to not be sick is limited. Still, how does this make God antichoice? Again, someone's choice to not be sick is violated. You have two "10's". Also how do these make God antichoice? it limits someone's choice to not feel safe or healthy. Not sure you will, so far these aren't proving your case here. Unless I'm having a misunderstanding. I have proven my case. I have given several examples of how God is basically a cosmic rapist forcing His will on people. The fallen angels shows Gods wrath towards those who wish to take his throne or go against him so in a sense that can be a limitation of choice, but God allowed the attempt so in another sense it isn't. Circular reasoning. God is all good, all knowing, all powerful, evil exists, and it's not His fault. Side: I agree.
"Be perfect or go to Hell" is not freedom of choice. That is choosing do you want your arm or your leg cut off. a hostage or rape situation. Yes it is. The option to dictate all the memans of life are in your hands. Some churches believe that a non-believer can still go to heaven for living a good and moral life. Either way you dictate your life, that gives man the power of choice. God is whining about something that HE created. #hypocrisy This doesn't prove that humans have no choice. The Bible says both that through one man sin entered the world, and that children should not die for their parents, making it a complete contradiction That isn't a contradiction. You won't be punished if your father is a murderer, but in order to have salvation you need Jesus. I'd say a low intellectual Christian could figure that out. “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” -Epicurus Nice quote, but you didn't answer my question at all. What if God wanted evil to stay as a medium of choice? Evil practically doesn't exist. It's a mental contruct. Unless you can give me a jar of evil. It limits someone's choice to not die in a war No, it's was your choice to engage in war and therefore consequence follows. If you die you die. That's your consequence. If your a civilian and you die then you died. God didn't limit anything, your actions lead you to that place or the actions of your parent or guardian or leader. I find it sick that you defend a murder's freedom over the victim's right to live. I don't remember defending a murderer's freedom in any sense. You are not answering my question at all. Murder is a possible choice and option for someone to follow, thus a great application of choice is present. Yes it does. It limits someone's rightful choice not to be sick. If its hereditary then that is the fault of the parent, but that doesn't stop them from seeking treatment. If you contracted AIDS/HIV then that was your consequence. What's next? Are you going to say gravity is the aggressor and it limits our freedom to fly? Someone's right to not be sick is limited. Right to not be sick? That doesn't exist. You have the capability to avoid sickness, but if you contract a disease or sickness you cannot rebuke it in any sense. You must try to cure it or live with it until death. Again, someone's choice to not be sick is violated. Again, it doesn't exist. Unless you can prove me wrong. it limits someone's choice to not feel safe or healthy. Again, humanistic actions are not the fault of a deity unless the deity purposefully makes them act in a certain way. Even in that sense the power of choice is with the person. You mental mind set is a psychological factor you must live with. You have predispositions, live with them. I have proven my case. I have given several examples of how God is basically a cosmic rapist forcing His will on people. No, for all your "examples" are poor and terribly worded and most often indirect to my questions. You quoted Epicurus, who wrote this as an argument for the existence of evil, and yiu used it to answer a question about the power of choice. Irrelevant matter. Circular reasoning. God is all good, all knowing, all powerful, evil exists, and it's not His fault. Prove that God is any of these things and then restate your claim. Besides, you need to work on your argumentation. You barely answered my questions. Side: I disagree.
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