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whats the main changes you would make to the school system if you could?
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I think it should be much kinder to failure.

I know that there will be lazy idiots who abuse that but the majority will seriously passionately go into whatever they were born to do.

You see, no one really knows what they are best at, it's just some are currently lucky as their first guess was close enough to their natural talent so they get the best grades and excel at it. Meanwhile, the one who pursued this or that thinks 'fuck I got the wrong studies and had to waste so much effort as I'm naturally bad at it so now I have a ton of B's but if I'd taken the other subjects, I'd be a straight A student'...

Basically, second chances without cornering a person with debt is key. Yes, I support completely subsidised public tertiary education and I don't care about the expense, the vast majority of students will repay society and will pursue a career, you need to have some fucking faith in humanity and stop being a right-wing shithead.

Okay rant over.

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i would give children much more choice on what to learn and make much less mandatory subjects... make the system more personal

how much of what you learned in school actually turned out to be useful in life... probably not a lot

like albert einstein said: "Everybody is a Genius. But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid"


To own a business, if you work some easy shitty job long enough for profit, you can make do with 0 qualifications. It's not easy though and requires you to live as a cheapskate for a good few years to get the funds.

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There are some excellent points there...the one most important thing I'd add is that school would be far more productive if they taught how to think, not what to think. The scientific process is the best tool for this, but any good logic system is of value.

Facts are of value, but which facts is always something of a problem. If one can understand how to process the facts themselves, they can always filter for the facts they need, throughout their lives.

This brings to mind the old saying, "Give a man a fish and he eats, but teach a man to fish, and he never goes hungry".

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i utterly completely agree!

im learning for a programmin degree and what ive noticed is that the programming languages and the specific skills required are constantly changing but what remains the same is the core logic... you need to know how to adapt and think quickly efficently and independently

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How do you teach idiots how to think? You can't.

Accept that majority of humans aren't here to invent, that's an elite few. Most are here to get by day-to-day.

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Incidentally, credit for using that video. I saw it some time ago, and really appreciate the points he makes in it. I've seen a few others of his, and some are quite interesting.

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I support the sciences, math and English being mandatory. Sorry but you need a core basis of knowledge to get by in this world.

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i would support maths till a certain point, and same thing for english... but most people wont use what they learned in the science class in there life, im a big fan of science but i still think it shouldnt be manditory

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Emphasize all the real world life skills a single adult needs - home economics, doing your taxes, cooking, laundry, jumping a car, changing a tire, basic home electrical, basic home plumbing, etc. And basic office skills such as resumes, typing, spreadsheets, basic finance/AP/purchasing. And basic life safety - first aid, CPR, heimlich. And how to handle a gun and do hand to hand defense.

Too many people reach middle age without really knowing how to take care of themselves.

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I don't think I could agree more. I was trying to add more to your list but you pretty much covered it all. There are college students who can barely boil water and I'm honestly worried about how many adults there are who can't change a tire.

If time can be spent teaching them how to do jumping jacks then they can try doing some alternate courses like basic living skills.

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Have you seen Heinlein's list? I think it's quite in line with your thinking here:

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

~Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

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I would focus more on teaching people how to think critically rather than teaching them what to think. There is also a ton of incredibly useful knowledge that one generally doesn't learn at school, such as basic psychology, social skills, power dynamics, economics, debate, abstract problem solving etc. etc.