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Murder is murder No its different ...
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Should crimes of passion be counted as manslaughter?

If I walk in on my wife with another man and I am enraged to the point of where I kill them both should I be put in the same category as that man who planned to kill someone he didn't like?

Murder is murder

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No its different ...

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It's still murder, but the punishment should not be the same as the punishment for cold-blooded killings. It's a very different situation that requires a much less severe punishment, meaning not death. :)

Side: Murder is murder
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But why shouldn't that person be charged with manslaughter? I mean they killed someone. I can understand if it was an accident like as in me and you are having a fist fight and I punch you in your head and you fall and bust your head open on the corner of a table, and die. To that I would not charge with death. But for someone to murder someone they love no matter how mad they are is just wrong on all counts and if you can kill someone you love you could kill anyone. I say a crime of passion should be considered as manslaughter.

Side: Murder is murder
MKIced(2511) Disputed
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People react really irrational when they commit crimes of passion. They end up hurting those that they love because they themselves are hurt. It is still murder, but it shouldn't be treated like deliberate murder. But it is more severe than an accidental murder.

Side: Murder is murder
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Unfaithfulness is not grounds for taking a life. Now, more consideration may be given to certain situations such as victims of prolonged abuse or even someone protecting another person(in some way that isn't technically direct defense). But if it's just that a person got angry and clearly overreacted to a situation, it's still murder, and should be treated as such. I think premeditated murder probably should result in longer jail (or mental health facility, depending on the individual's mental state) time, but crimes of passion such as a reaction to an affair should still be treated for what they are: murder.

Side: Murder is murder
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I think manslaughter is pretty self explanatory. Although it is a harsh word.

No because a good person would not commit manslaughter in that situation.

If somebody in my family got murdered, I wouldn't be saying:

oh give them a break they just went crazy for a minute

I would forgive them, but the law is the law. Compassion is no substitute for justice.

But I would still have compassion for them.

Side: Murder is murder
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“What’s in name ? That which we call a murder by any other name thou would still be Killing ”

Side: Murder is murder
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I say it's still 1st degree murder because even most serial killers, kill irrationally without really knowing the victims. So, it's not even crimes of passion with many murderers. To murder with your own hands, just really is, a sudden choice, planned or unplanned, and no matter what, you typically have the choice to stop yourself. Insanity plea is for those that have some serious mental issues; a crime of passion doesn't count. Because really, what you're saying is, "I loved her so much that i was just so upset I had to kill her." Yea, that's not really sounding like you have a good case against you. :-)

Side: Murder is murder

It should be Manslaughter, I think. Each of us has the ability to engage in a crime of passion and I don't believe we are hardened criminals that would kill again. It IS, I believe, a temporary insanity.

Side: No its different ...
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Temporary insanity, sounds reasonable!

But if someone has the willpower to kill someone they love doesn't that mean that they have the willpower to kill a stranger?

Side: No its different ...

Not at all Wolf. You probably couldn't walk up to a stranger and shoot him then rob the till! But if you saw someone killing your dad or mom I'll bet if you had a gun, you'd shoot it. You value life, I hope, and would not just run about injuring, maiming or killing for shits and giggles or money.

Side: No its different ...
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In your example, stated in the debate description, it isn't quite the same thing, but you still have no right to kill them.

But, if, for example, you find someone killing a parent, sibling, other family member, friend, or something like that, I can totally understand you killing them in turn.

I'm not sure, but does that count as a crime of passion? If so, then it shouldn't be the same as other murders. According to my moral code, and that of many, many people, that is just. For all you know, you're next. I can totally understand doing something like that.

It really depends, though, on the case-to-case circumstances. No two crimes are exactly alike, especially when you're dealing with something so raw and emotionally charged as this, and you must take all factors into account. You can't really make blanket statements, because, in some situations, I'm sure we would all do the same.

Side: No its different ...
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Wolf and kuk have good points as always.

Almost anyone is capable of killing another person, but most of us don't.

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But the circumstances in which a person will commit murder varies greatly between individuals. Some would find that even in life and death situations they cannot kill another person. This is rare because from an evolutionary stand point, it doesn't make sense. And on the other extreme you have serial killers who have no sense of empathy, and have learned through circumstance to enjoy killing people. (It takes more than a messed up cerebrum to become a serial killer, one also has to have suffered abuses in the past, at least that's current theory. Some sociopaths lead quiet productive lives, and you would never know they're is something wrong with them.)

But there's a difference between killing someone to save another life or your own, and killing someone because you're in a highly emotional state. That's not an accurate comparison, and also, usually killing someone to save a life doesn't lead to a sentence, and certainly not manslaughter, unless you have a super crappy lawyer and someone else has a Cochrin type.

While it's possible, and likely that a large portion of the population would commit manslaughter in the situations described, walking in on someone cheating, etc. this is not behavior that should be encouraged.

This should be manslaugher. No one's life is in immediate danger, one is taking action based strictly on a base emotional instinct. While it is easy and right to feel some sympathy for one who takes this course of action, it is not easy to do the correct thing, which is treating them the same as one who has planned a murder.

If this person took a life in a highly emotional state, then there is no gaurantee they will not be in a highly emotional state again, and take another life.

In this case life in prison is not a punishment, or revenge, the person knows and likely regrets horribly what they have done. But in this case it is a matter of separating one who has shown themself to be capable of murder, from the general population, where circumstances may lead to the death of other relatively innocent people.

Side: Murder is murder