For the frist time, a CreateDebater has made the list. I will not name this person but post their unescientfic comment for you to dissect. This is not a drama post, but an invitation to explore the issues and gain knowledge of how things work. CreateDebate Doe says: "I would think that the consciousness/life force is of that particular soul is already in that sperm cell.", to which I replied: "That is another religious opinion that is not factual. A sperm is not a baby." to which he replied "Thats your opinion, in my opinion and belief it is a conscious soul." to which I replied "Science says otherwise. A sperm is not a baby in any way at all. Life begins when regular brainwaves are established at around 6 months after fertilization." to which he replied: "Ok, science can suck it its always changing. Science can't tough the non physical realms. Only we ourselves can do that. And in my belief, you know, my PERSONAL beliefs, this is where we came from consciously into life. If you dont want to believe it thats cool." To which I replied "I can say that flying Purple unicorns exist due to my personally held beliefs, but but that does not make it so. I can admire joseph satlin, but that does not make him good. Mere belief does not equal facts or logic in anyway. You can't just make up reality as you go along, honey pie.". What are the logical conslusions that we can reach from my exchange from Create Doe 1? here they are: 1. Science proves that sperm are not babies. if that was true, you would have to put men to death for masturbation, and every nonfertile sex act would also be murder. 2. A sperm does not containa soul anymore than a pre brainwave fetus. 3. Real cute saying that science can suck it. Science has benefitted humankind most of the time since time began. Medicince is a science. Do you tell your doctor to suck it? 4. Sceience can give your knowlege to use for good or evil and help you understand your own spirituality. 5. Just because we ourselves do something, does not make it right, safe, effective, useful, factual, or any other positive adjective.