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After Egypt's victory of freedom came true it has sparked courage in other Arabic countries to earn freedom in their government. The US can and should help rebels in Libya get rid of Gadhafi he has been murdering many people and that is unacceptable. It is time for Gadhafi to leave. The US should help rebels especially cause they are asking for help. Also helping Libya will create an alliance, which may benefit the US with oil.
So, should we also help those being killed in Syria and Bahrain? What about the Congo and the Sudan where killing has been going on for years? I'm not trying to be a jerk... just wondering why Libya? We can't help everyone.
There are plenty of reasons, oil is one, although not that important in this conflict it can still not be neglected i.e. ensuring its price and security of supply i.e. stability is another. They also want to maintain a good foothold in the region, the US and nato want to show that they're in control of the situation. Also, i think there may be an element of divertin attention from the fact that they (US mainly but France and UK to) are backing the very dictators that are massacring and repressing their people i.e. Bahrain, Yemen, Saudi Arabia. Not syria obviously, thats why is receving so much air time on Western media.
That's all bullshit and you know it. Barry didn't even want to get into the Libya mess but he's a wuss and the French were embarrassing him. As for Bahrain and Yemen... I don't disagree... we are backing their leaders, as for Saudi Arabia, they are not massacring their people (at least not yet)... And by your own admission, we don't back the Syrian government so just what in the hell you trying to prove exactly? Your sole purpose on this site is to blame America for everything... Blame away, I don't care. Obama sucks! That's my whole point. His policies are inconsistent and make little sense to me... When the Iranian citizens were rising up he did nothing! When the Egyptians rose up he said our ally had to go. Now bombing Libya but doing nothing about Bahrain, Yemen and Syria. What exactly is the policy in these matters? No one knows and that obviously includes Barry.
First of all i think its very nieve to assume that president of the US can be manipulated into a war by his Western allies. Now Saudi Arabia are massacring their people, they've just been doing for alot longer than Yemen and Bahrain, go look the Amnesty International report on the regime.
I wasnt trying tio prove anything by saying that, i merely included it in order to cover all the countries currently in upheavel, just incase you came back and said; " oh you forgot Syria caus you just anti-american."
What did you expect him to do when the Iranian citizens were rising up, invade? Are you that stupid, firstly, the numbers rebelling were never verified, secondly, if you had invaded (whether it be just you or Nato(it would have been just you)) the entire country would have rien up against you, you fool yourself into thinking that your viewed as liberators, nobody views your army as liberators. YOur army is rightfully viewed as an imperilist force coming to conquer whatever region they please.
"When the Egyptians rose up he said our ally had to go"
Yes thats what they (america) do with every leader whos position becomes untenable, they let him go and put in place another(look up your history, before mubarak it was Sadat another US pawn) , you can be sure washington have already concocted some way to limit refromm within the egptian government, i just hope the will of the people wins out.
What is the policy,are you blind, firstly you dont want reform in Bahrain or Yemen so your happy to let those governments repress their people, in fact you support it, you gave the the military hardware their currently using. As for syria, they not gona get invloved there, that would be even messier than Iraq, there not that stupid.
The Saudis are going to win any awards for civil rights, that's for sure, but I wouldn't say they are massacring their people... people aren't being gunned down in the streets like in Yemen and such.
I dont think you can make a claim like that given the limited reporting in Saudia Arabia, there were protests, chancers are they were dealt with very serverely, and thus have quietened down.
It doesnt make me sleep better at night, i dont even know how think it would. Why dont try looking into the regime in Saudi Arabia, see what your government is supporting.
I know, I know, I know Gary.... I'm not as stupid as you think... I said the Saudi's aren't going to win any civil rights awards... I know what kind of regime they are but I'll still be friends with them over Iran or North Korea any day. It's not a perfect world Gary... I know you bleeding heart liberals think things are so simple... we should all be holding hands and skipping around and passing out flowers, blah, blah, blah....
Ya thats it, thats the attitude that makes america the great country that it is.Whatever you may think of Iran is completely false, ive been there, its not a bad place, the regime is quite open when compared to some of the ones your country supports,but hey they don't have Americas best interests at heart so they all deseve to die because your country is all that matters.
I'm from Pakistan, my uncle Osama thought me everything i know.
Bwhahahaha! You're always good for a laugh, that's for sure.... We weren't talking about the people of these various nations... we were talking about the regimes. And once again, and I hope this is for the last time because it's getting old, I never said the Saudi regime was all warm and fuzzy but they aren't destabilizing the entire region the way Iran is.... If you think Ahmadinejad and the nuts above him, pulling his strings, want to sit with you in your drum circle and pass around the peace pipe then you're even more of a raving lunatic than I thought. Damn!!! And just when I thought we were getting alone so well...
Iran wants to strengthen its control in the region, you know the kind of control your government has. I'm not saying their entitled to, but if you asked me whether they should have more of say in the affairs of the region than the US, well i think you can guess my answer. Iran is really fighting against American and Isreali Hegemony and again i dont like to take sides, the thought of a war with Iran upsets me deeply, look ive been there, the people are the friendliest you'll ever meet, they re-define the word hospitality, there not archaic or primitive, in fact their more cultured and well read than most americans (not that thats hard). The thought of your vicious army going in and massacring another million people (or maybe more) in the name of their false ideology sickens me. You americans are able to rationalise all the brutal acts of your government but i think if you were brought face to face with some the results of your countries actions it would hard to dismiss them in the name of freedom fries or whatever other nationalistic propaganda your indoctrinated to beleive.
Oh, I know, I know.... Iran is doing so much good around the world aren't they Gary? You are whacked as hell! Americans give more to charity around the world than any other people... Our government isn't massacring anyone, no matter how many times you say it, it won't be true. You really are out of touch with reality.
No they just can't compare to your fucked up country, nobody can you blind idiot, Iran is responsible for the deaths of 1 million Iraqis, in fact there are no countrie that have been responsible for the deaths of that many people in the last 7-8 yrs except for your great nation, your force for democracy. The good guys, hahahahhahahahahahahhaha, you people, seriously sometimes i wonder how you do it, how you convince yourselves of the exact opposite of what you are actually doing, then i remember how fucked up humans are.
What and you think your in touch with reality? You may represent the general concensus in America my friend, but i can assure once you leave your country the concensus is much more in my favour than yours.
Nah, I disagree... I've traveled quite a bit in the world and everywhere I went the intelligent people think more like me than you... but I don't doubt that the ignorant, sick bastards think more like you, that would only make sense.
Yes those ignorant sick bastards, your not biased at. Like the vietnamese, they dont like Ameircans i can assure, ive been twice, once when i was 10 and just last summer. Hey but there all ignorant sick bastards, aren't, never mind the fact that you enough bombs on that small beautiful country to equal 700 Hiroshimas (look it up), never mind that the fact that you killed between 3-4 million of them and vaporised entired villages with napalm, spread agent orange (a deadly chemical weapon, you know like the kind Saddam used). The effects of that confcit are still being felt and will be fopr a long time to come, but hey there ignorrant sick bastyards casue they didnt get behind the red, white and blue. They refused to be your dogs so they're just ignorant sick bastards.
You can think whatever the hell you want, installing Barack may have halted the wave of anti-american sentiment spreaading across the world, but it hasnt gotten rid of it, you can be sure of that. you should stop fooling yourself, and ask yourself why might so many people not like my brave self righteous state, the only real force for good in the world.I wonder.
I'm just saying dude... I mean, look right there... you used your when you should have used you're... You don't act as if English is your first language.
I know the difference between you're and your, for fucks sake man, what you dont seem to realsie is i dont gicve a fuck, i dont bother spelll checkin, i dont bother re-reading, im not handing in a college assigment so i dont bother doin any of the secretarial work, Joe will testify to that, i can assure you. I can type quite quiclky, almost 30-40 words a mintute. So i just put down a stream of consciousness as quick as i can, i dont care whether the grammer and spelling is off, i know myself its comprehensible, i just pity people like you and the others who can't find anything else criticise me with, cause beleive me i dont care, i know i can write properly.
Whatever man, take a trip to Hebron and have good ol chat with some of those settlers you love, why dont see exactly what it is your supporting.Peace out.
You're right, I won't invest the time, not because I don't want to but because I'm not a liberal and I have a job to get to, but I look forward to your irrational ramblings and hatred toward everything American when I get home! Have a great day buddy!
Thanks that really means alot. I look forward to presenting you with further info. on how you beliefs are twisted, and how your living in a bubble of misinformation created intentionally by your government in order to manipulate your understanding of the world.
BTW i dont hate everything american, ive got nothing against american people.
Its going on at the moment the US can make a difference By helping now and the problem will be over. Obama is correct that when we can do something about it why don't we?
Look my friend, im not saying your sentiment is wrong, if anything i agree with it. The problem is that supporting a rebel group that is most liley split along ethnic lines is very dangerous. You should realise the only reason the US and Nato are supporting the rebels is because they are against Gaddafi. Now im not saying their bad but they may be just as capable of commiting atrocites as Gaddafi himslef if they take power. Remember Kosovo, the Us and Nato intervened once it had become apparent that Serbs were commiting ethnic cleansing against the Yugoslavian people, what you didnt hear about was the Yugoslavian milita that were subsequently backed (arms and funding) by Washington and her allies were just as guilty of commiting atrocites. What im saying is if the US and Nato contiue to help the rebels militarily they may find out later is wasn't such a humantarian move at all, but you see they dont care, they just want Gaddafi gone at this piont, hes proved to be a thron in their sides.
They US are already helping them and they're doing it for a reason... The government just doesn't do thing for no reason just look at history were in Libya because we have the chance of getting rid of an Islamic tyrant and setting up a western style democracy eliminating the future treat... War is always misunderstood because the reason is too complicated for the general public to even grasp. Just look at Korea and Vietnam the US got involve to contain the spread of communism and it worked
Gadhafi is a cruel dictator, power-hungry, and would resort to all means to hold on desperately to his power, even if it entails great loss of lives in his country. That is precisely why it's so out-of-hand that the US has to intervene and help rebels overthrow the government. Ultimately, we want the best for the Libyan citizens, though it would cause the life of Gadhafi to be risked. Even then, serves him right. He screwed the country, might as well screw him back BADLY.
We have to back the rebels for several reasons 1. We are one of the few NATO Countries with assets in the area 2. We are one of the three permanent members of NATO and as such we have to spear head the assitinting of the rebels
I'm not that educated in the affairs of this government, or any for that matter, but I strongly think that in any situation that the U.S. should mind their own business. America always is trying to interfere with something that has nothing to do with them.
My God i think ive found my soul mate. Not trying to freak you out or anything its just i agree very strongly with that sentiment. It's really refreshing to hear that even people not well versed in politcs can have such an enlightened and awakened view of the world around, especially considering the propaganda inherent in the media.
Lol, well I thought it was kind of obvious. How america government acts usually reminds me of children. Which is why I tend not to educate myself in the details. Thought I know that may hurt me later...
I was about 16 when i first got into politics up until that point it was just background niose, travelling really changed how i viewed the world though. Politics is inescapable really, i mean most people couldn't give a fuck but they're still aligned in somebodies camp. For most people (as least as far as i can tell) there politcal views are decided for them, thats why i was impressed with your views, they seem like your own, not something your father forced on you, or something you were indocrinated the beleive.
I don't form many of my judgments until I've gone through the facts myself usually. And I'll admit when I actually have no idea what I'm talking about XD Which, depending on the subject, can be often.
Thats why i said it, i can only judge so much from what people type. I didnt doubt but i can;t 100% sure of anything.
BTW always be careful of where you obtain your facts, i know i dont need to be saying his to you but always be sceptical i everything you read (even this,lol).
Yes exactly, in fact question the questions, and when you think your setttled and you've got the world figured out well that just means your completely indocrinated into somebody else's beleif system.
I just ralised ive been disputing everything you've been saying despitethe fact that im in full agreement with you, sorry bout that, im just so used to only using dispute function.
We don't really know who the rebels are, or what their agenda is. For all we know they're going to install a theocracy or another military dictatorship. N.A.T.O simply decided that as they oppose Gadhafi, they must be our allies.
After further thought on the matter i was wrong Gadhafi creates stability.Any democratic change in the region is more than likely to fail and return to a more radical Islamic form of government in the long run is inevitable .They problem in the Middle East is their religion because of its inability to evolve with times.
