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It is actually the Native Americans who created the term, of redskinned men.

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It is the reason that the name was changed, and the motive isn't meant to be a racial motive

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"It may seem to some that the name is a racial slur, but that count is undoubtedly few. As Brooke Friesen made in her argument citing Megan Kelly, a Fox News reporter, that recently a number of Native Americans were polled and 90% of them answered that the name was unoffensive. Since you believe that history is supposedly on your side, you'll find it interesting that the origin of the term "redskin" wasn't originally a racial slur and still isn't. The origin was referring too the pigments some Indian tribes using time of war as during skirmishes during the Creek War which took part in 1813. Some evidence of this were the Creek Muscogee Indians, also known as Redstick Indians, who used red painted weapons and painted their faces and parts of their body red, which may of contributed to the name "redskin indians". Also, what many people are meaning when they honor the indians with the name is that during the Creek War, "Redstick Indians" attacked Fort Mims, which is located near Mobile Alabama. The Indians defeated the American Troops resulting in a major victory for the Indians, this might cause Americans at the time to start to respect Native Americans of the region and come up with a name to honor them, Redskin. Also, as I have said in my previous statement, if Native Americans truly cared so much about the removal of the name wouldn't they have at least peacefully protested, as they are allowed to since it is their basic right, stated in the Bill of Rights, First Amendment."-j_millan

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Have any of you thought about what would be the after fact of the name being changed?

The things that would need to be in the works.

-Designing new uniforms

-creating a new logo

-Renovating the stadium

-Making new up to date contracts

And don't even make me mention about the fan gear. So many of the people with old Redskin fan gear, would have to either buy New Jerseys and other fan gear, or they could keep the old fan gear, and root for an nonexistent team.

Here is a paragraph from a news article:

The Washington Redskins were originally known as the Boston Braves. In 1933, the team moved from Braves Field, which they shared with baseball's Boston Braves, to Fen way Park, already occupied by the Boston Red Sox. Co-owner George Preston Marshall changed the name to the Redskins, possibly in recognition of the then–head coach William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz, who claimed to be part Sioux. On July 6, 1933, the Boston Herald reported that "the change was made to avoid confusion with the Braves baseball team and the team that is to be coached by an Indian (Dietz)... with several Indian players."

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I find this unnerving, that u think it is offensive,

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The Washington Redskins were originally known as the Boston Braves. In 1933, the team moved from Braves Field, which they shared with baseball's Boston Braves, to Fenway Park, already occupied by the Boston Red Sox. Co-owner George Preston Marshall changed the name to the Redskins, possibly in recognition of the then–head coach William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz, who claimed to be part Sioux. On July 6, 1933, the Boston Herald reported that "the change was made to avoid confusion with the Braves baseball team and the team that is to be coached by an Indian (Dietz)... with several Indian players."

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Please state your source, because if you remember the video we were watching in class, it said the

At most didn't mind the name, and some were fans because it honored them, and their race

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But they were "red, skinned" warriors, and that's why they chose the name, I think, because they were a fierce fighting force.

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Then don't write the same answer and find something else to say. Like find more evidence, it helped in debate club, :)

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Did you know that Indian casinos are on Indian reservations, and are run by natives who own the land?

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Support for continued use of the name has come from the team's owners and a majority of fans, which include some Native Americans. Supporters say that the name honors the achievements and virtues of Native Americans, and that it is not intended in a negative manner. Some, such as team president Bruce Allen, also point to the use of Redskins by three high school teams, two on reservations, that have a majority of Native American students. Supporters also assert that a majority of Native Americans themselves are not offended, based upon a public opinion poll in 2004 in which 90% of those who identified as American Indians answered that they were "not bothered" by the name "Redskins" being used for the Washington football team. However in a commentary published soon after that poll, fifteen Native American scholars collaborated on a critique that stated that there were so many flaws in the Annenberg study that rather than being a measure of Native American opinion, it was an expression of white privilege and colonialism. National public opinion polls consistently find that a majority of the general public support the team's continued use of the name, ranging from 89% in 1992 to 71% in September 2014.

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Okay, can you tell me all the names of the tribes that do want the name to be changed, and state your sources. Most likely you can't. The truth is that it isn't intended to be a racial slur, and you cannot prove that it was intended to be offensive.

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"Kansas City Chiefs, Florida State Seminoles, Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians, Chicago Blackhawks, and of course the most controversial, Washington Redskins. Many people believe that this name is derogative and is a racial slur, I do not. I believe that the Washington Redskins is not a derogative name and shouldn't be changed by Dan Snyder, the owner of the Redskins.

One point other people who want the name to be changed are making is that its a derogative term. Many people actually take the name as an honor that a famous sports team is using a Native American name as their mascot. The name was actually created by Native American and approved by Native American leaders.

Another reason why I believe the Redskins should keep there name is because when African Americans and Hispanics wanted their rights they marched peacefully throughout the country, and the Native Americans haven't been marching anywhere for the Redskins to change their name. Also, Native Americans aren't too worried about the name, rather than losing their land and traditions.

If you want to look from the other side's perspective, the name might seem offensive to some people, but just because a few people believe that the name is offensive doesn't mean that everybody can be pleased. Anyways, people can just ignore the team and not pay attention to it or it's games."- j_millan in the 8th grade chat

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I think everyone is doing a great job, but a point I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that, we don't know what the motive was to creating this team name that has obviously created many great debacles. People will take offense to anything, saying that cauq-Asians live on Starbucks, Chipolte, and selfies. That is a huge stereo type right now. I believe that the "racial slur" of the name, is in intentional, and even though pope ole take offense to it, it is not intended to do that.

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I think everyone is doing a great job, but a point I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that, we don't know what the motive was to creating this team name that has obviously created many great debacles. People will take offense to anything, saying that cauq-Asians live on Starbucks, Chipolte, and selfies. That is a huge stereo type right now. I believe that the "racial slur" of the name, is in intentional, and even though pope ole take offense to it, it is not intended to do that.

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This is the logical thing, and we all know that the name won't change because it will just cause disruption in the NFL, and get unwanted, and unneeded attention

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Messi, is the best futballer in the world, and he has Neymar and all his other great teammates to dominate Liga BBVA

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How did they use it correctly. You just expressed that the term "R-word" was derogatory and racist. Isn't it the same either way you put it?

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What would be the point of changing the name? That would just bring financial problems, and the stadium would have to go under construction, which is way more expensive then you would think.

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I can see where you are coming from. Well the racist owner didn't create the team, he bought it, and if he was such a big racist don't you think he would have not drafted Native Americans.

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So, if the team name was so bad, and had so many supporters, don't you think the NFL would have made the owner change the name? Kind of how they took away their stadium when that one manager wouldn't draft and African Americans.

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Unlike the team symbols we were talking about in class, the Washington Redskins symbol is an honorable Native American. He is wearing eye paint that was worn in battle. I personally do not think that the name of the team is a racial motive.

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Adding to my argument, if the Washington, Redskins changed there name what would it be, it would mean that the franchise would have to remodel the stadium, design New Jersey, make new contracts, and the merchandise, people don't want to have to buy new fan gear. Like me I have almost my whole room is Patriots and Oregon Duck gear, if they changed there name that would mean that the team would not exist, and I would need to get new fan gear.

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What I believe no one is getting is that football names are named after an animal, or a strong fighting force; ex, Patriots, Bengals, Raiders, Broncos. They are named after strong and powerful things. They are not meant to be a racial slur or anything like that.


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