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Did God literally appear before Adam and Eve?

In Genesis after Adam and Eve ate the fruit did God appear before them literally? Or did he just take on some form like a cloud or something?

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Idiotobx914 (1339)

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I was there. God appeared before them in the form of a homosexual Islamic black man.

10 years ago Side: Yes

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12characters (224) Clarified

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O.O

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Cartman (18192) Banned

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Isn't that what the Bible says? God, appeared before Adam.

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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There is reason to believe God didn't appear as a "human" or truly "walked" through the garden at all. Rather like he took the form of wind or a cloud.

10 years ago Side: Yes

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Cartman (18192) Banned

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One reason would be if you didn't want to follow what the Bible actually said. Maybe God didn't do anything the Bible said He did. That works for me to. Maybe He didn't actually speak to Abraham. Maybe He didn't actually destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Maybe He didn't actually flood the entire world. That's cool too.

10 years ago Side: Yes

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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I hope you know that the english translation is not the absolute accurate depiction of the original bible. Its roughly translated. Words are very different in the original hebrew and greeks texts. So when ot says God came it said something that made scholars believe that God didn't appear as himself or man. Get me now?

10 years ago Side: Yes

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Cartman (18192) Banned

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There is no reason to believe He came as a whisp or a cloud. No one would ever think that Adam would follow the word of a cloud. If God only appeared as a cloud He would never have any expectation that Adam would follow His rules, and would never punish everyone who will ever exist for what Adam caused. Therefore, He must have really appeared in order to go through with punishing sins.

10 years ago Side: Yes

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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Did you even pay attention to my other saying? Wind? There is logical reason to believe that God came as wind. This would explain Adam and Eve's hiding if the wond gust is strong. God also appeared as wind in other texts. Also the true text hints to wind. I see no reason as to why you would down vote me. If you think everything in the bible is exact and literal you are wrong. Totes wrong.

Oh sorry I have to edit this. I see you were also downvoted. So I guess it wasnt you. My bad.

10 years ago Side: Yes

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Cartman (18192) Banned

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Well, I obviously didn't downvote you, and I changed my argument to not focus on whether it was literal, now that we have established nothing is real in the Bible, so can you address my actual argument?

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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I just did. I'm saying that you are taking the bible too literally and automatically have a bias towards it. The truthfulness of the bible is nothing I have measures or came to agreement to with you. Its not relevant to my argument. What makes you think that God wasn't a gust of wind?

10 years ago Side: Yes

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Cartman (18192) Banned

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"No one would ever think that Adam would follow the word of a cloud. If God only appeared as a cloud He would never have any expectation that Adam would follow His rules, and would never punish everyone who will ever exist for what Adam caused. Therefore, He must have really appeared in order to go through with punishing sins."

Just replace cloud with wind, it is the same argument. God wouldn't actually believe that Adam would listen to a gust of wind.

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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God is omnipotent. He can speak through wind as he has done in other places in the bible. If he can speak in a cloud he can speak in a wind gust.You automatically assume that certain forms of God limit Adam beliefs. If it talks Adam will listen. Adam will communicate. The serpent communicated with Eve and she didn't freak out. It was natural. God in the form of wind would be the same. They wouldn't hide if they knew it was just some random breeze.

10 years ago Side: Yes

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Cartman (18192) Disputed Banned

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If it talks Adam will listen.

We know this is a false statement.

The serpent communicated with Eve and she didn't freak out.

And she actually listened to it when it actually appeared.

God in the form of wind would be the same. They wouldn't hide if they knew it was just some random breeze.

I didn't say anything about hiding. I am saying that God wouldn't be such a dick to every human that will ever live.

10 years ago Side: No

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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We know this is a false statement.

Why?

And she actually listened to it when it actually appeared.

Okay? What does that have to do with her listening to talking objects?

I didn't say anything about hiding. I am saying that God wouldn't be such a dick to every human that will ever live.

I don't agree with your second sentence. It's off topic so I won't address it. Now, can you prove God took a common form to communicate with Adam?

10 years ago Side: No

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Cartman (18192) Disputed Banned

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Why?

Adam didn't do what God told him.

Okay? What does that have to do with her listening to talking objects?

Adam and Eve only listen to real objects.

I don't agree with your second sentence.

Wow, that's messed up. You think God is a dick.

It's off topic so I won't address it.

Hehe, I disagree with your second sentence. That was my argument. God wouldn't punish people unless He was sure that He gave them a chance, unlike you saying He never really gave humans a chance which makes Him more of a dick.

Now, can you prove God took a common form to communicate with Adam?

It is a work of fiction where everything in it can be denied, so obviously not. Can you prove that Harry Potter actually killed Voldemort?

10 years ago Side: Yes

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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Adam didn't do what God told him.

Listening doesn't always lead to obeying. You should know that.

Adam and Eve only listen to real objects.

Prove it.

Wow, that's messed up. You think God is a dick.

No. I don't think that. That is relevant to the topic.

Where did I say he "never really gave" humans a chance?

It is a work of fiction where everything in it can be denied, so obviously not. Can you prove that Harry Potter actually killed Voldemort?

This debate is based on detail provided in the bible. If you cannot follow that basic rule then just leave or I will ban you. You're completely off topic. Acting cowardly and avoiding my arguments. You cannot prove what was in the text? You never even tried.

10 years ago Side: Yes

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Cartman (18192) Banned

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Listening doesn't always lead to obeying. You should know that.

If he didn't obey, there is no evidence he was able to listen.

Prove it.

How am I supposed to do that when you main argument is that it doesn't say what I am reading?

No. I don't think that. That is relevant to the topic.

I said I didn't think God would be such a dick and you disagreed, that means you think God would be a dick.

Where did I say he "never really gave" humans a chance?

You haven't disagreed with the my idea that not appearing in actual form is less persuasive.

You said there is no detail in the Bible. You said quoting the Bible is worthless because we have no idea what the Bible actually means. So, let's do the next best thing. Assume that the Bible actually talks about a real event. Let's try to figure out what makes more sense if the event in the Bible actually happened. One of us is treating the Bible as a non fiction piece and analyzing it, the other claims the Bible is true, but tries to change the meaning of the words to suit her fancy. Isn't it weird that the person who keeps calling the Bible fiction shows it more respect?

10 years ago Side: Yes

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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If he didn't obey, there is no evidence he was able to listen.

Adam gave credence to God. Adam answered God.

How am I supposed to do that when you main argument is that it doesn't say what I am reading?

I already addressed that the english text isn't accurate. The true text hints to a wind.

I said I didn't think God would be such a dick and you disagreed, that means you think God would be a dick.

I just told you. I don't think that. Its also irrelevant.

You haven't disagreed with the my idea that not appearing in actual form is less persuasive.

Again, this has nothing to do with my question.

You said there is no detail in the Bible. You said quoting the Bible is worthless because we have no idea what the Bible actually means

I never said such a thing in this debate. The debates requires the details in Genesis.

tries to change the meaning of the words to suit her fancy.

No words were changed. I gave you the actual text. Not the english translation.

Isn't it weird that the person who keeps calling the Bible fiction shows it more respect?

When did I say it was fiction? Show me or I will just ban you, because now you are being stupid. You are far off topic. Never address the actual question. You keep avoiding my question. Then lie about things saying "You said blah blah blah". No. Show me where I said it was fiction.

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pakicetus (1455) Clarified

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If you want to really understand the bible, here's an interlinear translation: http://biblehub.com/interlinear/

10 years ago Side: Yes

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12characters (224)

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'Literally' in fiction is like 'metaphorically' in science; it simply doesn't work.

Besides, God appeared in the mind of Adam according to the story, he has no physical form to appear before Adam with.

10 years ago Side: No

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iLoveVersace (1098)

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What verse specifically stated that God only appeared in the mind of Adam? His physical presence was noted. Please prove your case here.

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12characters (224) Disputed

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God is no more than an imaginary guardian, it has no physical existence of any kind and will one day have all its scriptures put in the fiction section of any library.

God is not a thing, it is not a male, God is a fantasy and not a very creative one either.

10 years ago Side: No

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Kazerian2001 (394)

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No there was a Adam and ever but they did not worship god. How could have god visited Homonids when they didn't worship God.

10 years ago Side: No

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