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There isn't a simple answer on this, because every situation is different. Sometimes an adoption is set up well and the child is sent straight to parents from the hospital. But not all children are that lucky when they get put up for adoption.
Also, it's mildly irritating when people say things like "that babies going to grow up and be happy they weren't aborted" Duh. But if they were aborted then it wouldn't even be an issue of what they think.
Exactly, it wouldn't be an issue of what they think, because nobody gave them the chance to think. That's what makes it wrong in almost every situation. People are choosing to abort just in case the child may face a rough life. I'd rather have lived and made that decision myself, not had someone else decide if my life was going to be worth living.
Of course, most people aren't just thinking about the baby. I wouldn't. I'd have to go through nine months of pregnancy, then just lose all that time. Also, I'd spend my whole life wondering most likely.
Any decision you make in your life you don't make it on one person, or future person.
It wouldn't be an issue if you had been aborted if someone decided for you by the way.
I personally couldn't go through an adoption, especially the way I live. I make every precaution I can NOT to get pregnant. So if I were to by pure "luck", I'd have an abortion.
If you get adopted by a pedophile/rapist who keeps you locked up for your whole life just so he/she can there way with you, then abortion would have been better.
If you can't provide groundbreaking statistics to support your claims, then you have no credibility. ALSO, the adoption system is extremely strict about whom they allow to raise children. That's why people who don't live in extravagant homes and drive extravagant vehicles, can't adopt children.
I'm just saying that abortion would have been the better choice than adoption in that situation. It's not as if you could change the choice, but it still would have been the better choice.
I don't think it's your right to choose whether or not a person should've lived or not due to their circumstances. You can't just go around like "Oh you're childhood was bad, you should've died". There's no logic in that belief whatsoever.
I think it should be up to the people who went through that particular situation. If they wish they would've died instead, then I guess abortion might've been better for them. But most of them don't believe that way. So even in your hypothetical, you wouldn't have much support from people who were adopted by awful parents.
"The person would have no life, they would just be getting tortured until they died.
People with awful parents eventually grow up and can get away.
Not the same situation." --- Said by you. So, if we're not talking about the situation of a child growing up and getting out, we're talking about murder.
Okay, what? Are you really asking me how that's murder? Do you truly need me to elaborate? When one person is intentionally and directly responsible for the unlawful death of another person, it's murder.
-_- ... Really? You said they would be sexually abused/tortured until they died, or otherwise die of old age. That's why you said sometimes they grow up and get out, other times they are tortured until death. You made two different scenarios, and I am asking you to support the torture one with examples or statistics.
Which if you remembered, the torture was sexual abuse.
When I said "tortured until they died", I did not mean that the cause of death would be torture. I meant that they would eventually die of natural causes, but their life would consist of constant sexual abuse.
"The person would have no life, they would just be getting tortured until they died.
People with awful parents eventually grow up and can get away.
Not the same situation." --- So first, you said they weren't the same situation, and now you're saying they are. Because now you're telling me that both can grow up and get away.
Well that's great. If I was aborted and would have been adopted to a very rich, loving family, obviously adoption was the better option in that situation.
I think the idea was to approach this question in a more general sense, as it would be implausible to deal on a case by case basis...
If you're advocating abortion for the sake of an unlikely scenario, then yes, you're trying to justify all abortions. Your stance is that it's better to abort children then to possibly put them in a bad situation.
You added the "overall" yourself by voting for abortion. Do you honestly think I was talking about "Do you think maybe abortion is sometimes possibly a little bit better maybe than adoption?" Yeah, I shouldn't have to do that.
You added the "overall" yourself by voting for abortion
I most certainly did not. It's clearly stated in my post, that if that specific situation happened, then abortion would have been better choice beforehand.
It's specifically saying that adoption is not always the right choice.
It's really hard to choose one side, there are positives and negatives that come with both. First the adoption route: Positives- Might end up having a good family, good life, be a positive contributor to the world. Negatives- May never get adopted, have a hard life, be another criminal. Abortion: Neg-Killing a life, taking for granted the ability to conceive, emotional trauma. Pos- terminating product of rape etc to alleviate more emotional trauma, biggest one for me is this world is crap it may have always been but now its the largest turd in the toilet; keeping a child youre not ready for who may not be adopted from a miserable existence.
Adoption is almost always a better choice. I agree with Intangible, but I think that is a specific persons decision. Some people value their "life" more than the bad things they have to endure during their life.
Yes, this should be apparent. Why deny the right to life of everyone faced with this dilemma simply because of a rare, arbitrary condition that is wholly hypothetical?
I know for a fact that most adults who were adopted, would be grateful that their mothers chose not to abort. It's much better to get to live and be happy, than to never get to see the world at all.
Adoption itself may be a better choice, but adoption agencies are not the best of places, especially kids in Foster care or such.
The state has such a regulatory stranglehold on adoption that it's hard to make them efficient at all. So in many cases, abortion is the better choice.
As well, many who would get an abortion but decide not to end up keeping the child anyway. This may or may not be better than giving up for adoption depending on how shitty the environment is for the mother.
Abortion is a morally complicated situation, and if people truly want to be honest, we have to consider whether living in poor environments (including many adoption agencies) is actually more morally acceptable than mere abortion. Consider the human psyche? A fetus has less awareness than a rat and killing it might not actually be that bad compared to having the child grow up in bad conditions leading to psychological distress. It's easier to judge that severe mental retardation or EB diseases may warrant a morally justified abortion, but economic and psychological conditions should also be considered... it's just harder to understand, I guess...
• The child may be desirable, though not for her mother, but for someone else, for example, for a childless couple, finished this baby up for adoption. So, why abortion? Let the State will develop a program for the adoption of unwanted children, than allow abortion.
every human being has a right to live and for me abortion equals to murder, and we do not have totake someone's life which God gave. there are many situations where people make mistakes and after abortion they regret of doing so. People have to stop being egoistic.
Well doesn't God already know what we're going to to before we do it. Doesn't he have a plan laid out for us. So God would already know what was planned, he could have condemned us all to death at birth, he allows abortion to go on and he's forgiving. He allows us free will; so many people say if God exists why does he allow this and the other thing. Its the fact we as people allow it, i don't believe in interfering in others free will that God has granted us. I'm not going to judge them either, that's for God to do. Now if someone comes at me and mine tryna kill...un uh lemme take out my earrings.
Adoption is a better choice, there are many people who can't have kids and wish for some. You also might not think it's a big deal to abort a child, but it really is if you think about it. What if that child later on in life were to do something that would change the world, and you killed it.
It's not the way from a situation, because if person will do the abortion, in my opinion, it's like to kill this child. According to the support topic, every children deserve a chance to live this life. Suddenly, he will born and when he will grow up he will change the world to the positive side.
