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Who Cares? BAD
Debate Score:68
Arguments:38
Total Votes:90
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Obama Song, What do you think?

Who Cares?

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Side Score: 30
2 points

Interestingly, kids also sang praise to Bush's response to Katrina, and yet there was not a peep of outrage from the GOP back then...

Supporting Evidence: Kids Sing Praise of Katrina Response (www.huffingtonpost.com)
Side: Who Cares?
1 point

Jesus H. Christ Faux is riding this paranoia wave as far as it will take them.

Okay, there's 2 possibilities here...

1. indeed Obama is a Manchurian Nigerian Black Panther Socialist Fascist Anti-Christ Plant bent on destroying the US as we know it

2. It's some fucking kids singing a fucking song.

Okay, here are the lyrics link

So what exactly is wrong with this song?

I mean, basically it says; make the country strong, equal work for equal pay, give everyone a chance, everyone is equal, congratulations on being the 1st black President, make the economy number one again, and we know you can do it.

That is everything it says.

Name one thing wrong with that dumb dumb.

Side: Who Cares?
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

First of all, I want more options. Those two (narrow minded) possibilities aren't fair.

Choice 1 is ridiculous(we've gone over that several times ), coice 2 is kind of true.

But see it's not about the kids or the lyrics. It's the fact that that teacher has the kids singing about good healthy things with good guy Obama thrown into the mix. And nobody on the left has a problem. And you know it would be different if it where Bush.

Name one thing wrong with the Christmas songs that kids aren't allowed to sing in school. What? Separation of church and state? It can be optional, there can also be other religious holiday songs.

See my point here, where all about not offending anyone, but when people get offended, it's 'who got offended? them? oh they're just haters!' I guess it doesn't matter when conservatives get offended does it?

Side: Bad

Thanks for posting the link for the lyrics...at last I know what they're singing about!

Side: Who Cares?
jtopolnak(158) Disputed
1 point

Your funny iam. You should have a problem with this it is taking young children and forcing them to do something that they have no clue on. Our tax dollars are paying for this. What there isn't enought time for the teachers to actually teach something esle like english, math, science etc.

The scariest thing about it, it sounds like a Salem Witch hunt chant.

Side: Bad
iamdavidh(4816) Disputed
1 point

I'm not for it or against it actually. Just like I didn't care when Bush was reading to little kids during 9-11.

There is nothing wrong with children knowing who the President is, singing about him, listening to him read a book, looking up to him, etc.

He's the elected leader of the US. It's patriotic to respect any President.

There are no issues in that song that anyone can possibly have a problem with. Therefore, there's nothing wrong with kids singing it.

The problem is jt, the right is so out of control, they see a perfectly innocuous song, and start having convulsions.

It's not a matter of those kids being somehow indoctrinated by the left,

I promise that is not their problem at all.

There problem is they're not being indoctrinated to the right.

And it's ridiculous. If I had a kid during Bush's Presidency, I would have 0 problem with my little kid singing a song as part of a school play or something, wishing him well, hoping he helps the economy, etc.

None.

Because he was the President you understand. A crappy one, but the President none the less.

P.S. This just in.

1. the lyrics were sent to parents in advance and they approved.

2. it was during black history month, a project for black history month... and he's the first black President, so it would be retarded not to mention Barrack Obama wouldn't it?

3. video just surfaced of little kids singing about Bush after Katrina, thanking him for the help (ironically). Notice no liberals started crying... because they're little kids, and he was the president.

Side: Who Cares?

Can you please post the words Jake, I can't understand these kids. All I get is Barack Hussein Obama!

Side: Who Cares?
1 point

there are a lot more serious incidents taking place than singing a prez song!

Side: Who Cares?
1 point

This story is interesting in how it was brought to light. The lyrics of the song where sent home to parents and approved of, and only seven months later when Fox News caught wind of it did it suddenly become a "controversy". And of course, Fox conveniently left out the part where parents approved of the song's lyrics.

Supporting Evidence: Jon Stewart On Fox News (www.hulu.com)
Side: Who Cares?
0 points

instead of Good vs Bad, this side of the argument should be "Who cares?"

No one is going to argue that it is a good thing, but that doesn't make it a bad thing.

Side: Good
Cerin(206) Disputed
1 point

Au contraire. I would in fact argue that kids singing about the first African American to become President, is in fact a "good thing". Remember, this happened as part of Black History month.

Side: Good
4 points

Mmm, mmm, mm!

It's like a love-child between a cheesy political slogan and a bad Campbell's Soup commercial.

Seriously, if you're going to brainwash children, at least come up with better lyrics.

Supporting Evidence: Lyrics (www.foxnews.com)
Side: Bad
2 points

Here's the video.

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Side: BAD
zombee(1014) Disputed
1 point

I like the creepy music edited into this one. Nice touch.

I looked up the lyrics and I am not sure what everyone is so disturbed about. I was not a Bush supporter, but if I saw a video of children singing a song about what his policies were as they understood them, I don't think I would have batted an eye.

If any of these children were for some reason forced to sing this against their, or their parents', wishes, that would be a different story.

Side: Who Cares?
2 points

WE CANT SING CHRISTMAS CAROLS ANYMORE. But the kids can sing this?

Side: Bad
Mahollinder(900) Disputed
3 points

WE CANT SING CHRISTMAS CAROLS ANYMORE. But the kids can sing this?

I just tried to sing a Christmas carol to see if I really couldn't. I am proud to report that I was able to sing a Christmas carol.

But more seriously, what exactly is wrong with the song?

Side: Good
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
3 points

If it was a song about George Bush would you be asking that?

Anyways, The president shouldn't be glorified like that. Teaching kids that the president is cool and awesome is not good, because they won’t question him. And authority should be questioned. "Question With Boldness" Any form of indoctrination is bad.

My point about the Christmas carols was that kids in public schools can't sing Christmas carols anymore because somebody might get offended. [Even though most people do calibrate Christmas] And people are okay with that. Then this happens, people actually do get offended. And it's "oh shut up what’s wrong with the song?"

I guess it doesn't matter if right wingers get offended. You have to be a liberal or a minority of some kind.

Side: Bad
MKIced(2511) Disputed
2 points

He means that we can't sing Christmas carols in school. When I was in middle school, I was in the chorus and although I didn't notice it at the time, the songs we had to sing were very cultured. We had a Jewish song, a Kwanzaa song, a Russian song about winter, and a few other wintery songs, but nothing that was Christmas-related! But we were allowed to sing a Jewish song. How is that fair?

Side: Bad
jtopolnak(158) Disputed
2 points

Most Schools have banned Christmas Carols that have a Christian connotation to them. Like Holey Night, Hark the Harold Angels sing. You can still sing about the fat man. Nothing wrong with the song kids singing, what makes it wrong is that it is political in nature and why now all of a sudden are they singing a song about a president that hasn't even been in office for a year. I can't recall the last time there was something sung about any other president. It was more of a chant than a song.

Side: Bad

Well, for starters, do you remember Hitler's youth? Do you know what the word "indoctrination" mean?

BTW, did you not understand that what Jake meant was that we can't sing Christmas carols in schools because it may offend people of other religions.

Are you aware that the same "type" of people that promoted this song are the same "type" of people that don't want Christmas carols in schools.

Do you realize that the status quo in this country feels besieged by different groups all chipping away at the foundation of this country?

I mean, before I joined the status quo I was fine with the chipping away but now I'm singing a different tune. Maybe when Obama erodes the value of my assets far enough I'll go back to chipping away. But for now .... ;)

Side: Bad
2 points

I used to volunteer in an elementary school every Saturday. I was, essentially, a teacher's aid for a Saturday morning family school and the teacher I worked with was just about the same as me when it came to politics, which was great! We were both conservative, but not to the point of being Puritans or evangelical Christians or something. One thing I noticed is that some of the more liberal teachers thought it was okay to talk about politics with their children. Not once did I enter a political comment while I was there. And neither did the woman I worked with. That's because we believed it wasn't right to involve children in something like that. They're just too young and they trust their teachers. If the teacher keeps saying things like "Obama is a great guy," they'll believe it. But if they also say things (even when they think the children aren't listening) like "Obama is the best! Bush is an ass," then the kids will also start believing that. The only time I ever spoke politics with her was before the day began. All of the kids had to wait in the cafeteria and we went to the classroom to set up before we got them, so I can safely say I've never made a political statement near children.

Side: Bad
1 point

That is really creepy. I have never heard any songs sung in school about other presidents. I looked up the critics on this and the parents had no Idea that their kids where doing this, essentually it is agaisnt their own will, look how young they are. The beleifs of one political views to keep to themselves and not forced into a chant like this one. The reason why it has made headline news is that the parents found out after the fact and most of the parents are not happy about this.

Side: Bad

It is the indoctrination of school children.

"An even better testament to the power of indoctrination in public schooling, however, is the conviction that it instills in students that socialist programs are essential to society. A good example of this phenomenon occurs in the health-care debate. Whenever libertarians suggest that the solution to the health-care crisis is simply to repeal Medicare and Medicaid, health-care regulations, and medical-licensure laws, most Americans go ballistic. Without Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and the elderly would die from lack of medical care, they cry. Without regulations and medical licensure, quacks would be conducting brain surgery on people, they say. Free markets are fine but not in such an important area as health care, they claim. "

Side: Bad