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The Separation of Church and State is the greatest Misnomer

The term "Separation of Church and State" is from the Federalist Papers not the constitution or any law in the United States, yet every one on this site tosses it around like it is the law of the land! Is it simply to further your argument or do people really not understand the context in which it was used?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misnomer

http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

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I don't say that it was credited to the Constitution. Rather, I credit it to Thomas Jefferson. As it's supposed to be. However, I did not also realize that John Locke also conceptualized this core belief.

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usps(365) Disputed
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The debate is "The Separation of Church and State is the greatest Misnomer" I don't believe you have answered the question and I don't believe in the past you have credited Thomas Jefferson with this quote, People type it as if it is the law! will you agree that it is not the law of the land?

aveskde(1935) Disputed
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People type it as if it is the law! will you agree that it is not the law of the land?

Would you really rather have that this isn't a secular country?

A secular country allows for freedom of religion. A political-religious entanglement on the other hand means that only one official religion is recognised.

Conro(767) Disputed
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Well, if you would phrase it as a question, then I would answer it. However, since you believe a statement to be a question, I'll try in my best way to answer it: The Separation of Church and State is not the greatest misnomer.

It's interpreted as in the law of the land. The first amendment, guaranteeing the freedom of religion, was what prompted Jefferson to coin the phrase "separation of Church and State". Since government isn't run (usually) by religious zealots (usually) who base their decisions on religious preferences (usually), then the Church is separate from the State.

riahlize(1568) Disputed
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People type it as if it is the law! will you agree that it is not the law of the land?

Since the Constitution is the law of the land, I would have to say that Separation of Church and State is part of the law of the land.

The Separation of Church and State is a description/label of the Free Exercise clause and the Establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The debate is "The Separation of Church and State is the greatest Misnomer" I don't believe you have answered the question

You made a statement, not a question.

But no, it's not the greatest misnomer, it's not even a misnomer all.

Who ever stated that "the Separation of Church and state is a law " indeed is oblivious to the true meaning of this phrase. I know what the meaning is.

The axiom is not law, but it is an innuendo, yet it is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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The separation of church and state is implied within that part of the Constitution. That the government may not require the practice of religion in any respect nor the government can prohibit the free exercise of religion. In other words, they can't force religion nor can they stop belief in religion.

The wall is a metaphor that clearly explains where religion is appropriate but absent from government.

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I've seen this type of position before. It's a strawman that is an argument to downplay the need to keep religion out of government.

When people say there is separation between church and state, they aren't acting like the law itself is called "Separation of church and state." They are using a short description of the purpose of one of the sections in the first amendment of the US constitution.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Which translates to our government not endorsing religion. It is neutral on the matter, uninvolved, restricted. At least in theory, thanks to ignorant Christian protestations our country has violated its own constitution by putting the phrase under god in the pledge, by making our national motto "In god we trust" and putting that on money. By offering support to the boy scouts of America, by giving churches tax-free status, and so on. These all violate the secular spirit of our nation, and Christians allow it because they seem to operate on the foolish idea that freedom of religion means that your religion must be publicly funded at everyone else's expense.

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True! There really is no separation of Church and State written in the Constitution.

Side: Not a Law