Neither group will ever prove anything either way, what a useless waste of time for very, very boring people. This religious/athiest debate seems to be between disaffected Christians and those who still are. The disaffected Christians don't seem so sure of themselves because they are still obsessed with religion and are constantly attacking those who still identify as Christian. I think both groups are thinking inside the same confounded box. At the other end of the spectrum of idiocy are those Christians who really aren't sure of their Christianity, therefore , need to challenge everyone on Christian doctrine until they find someone who will explain things to them to their satisfaction. My theory is, someone that really KNOWS something doesn't feel the need to argue about it. To bring up an argument about a particular issue automatically shows a lack of faith, belief or knowledge. I have brought up debates here about ideas i read about and made sense to me, but I get my ass handed to me pretty regularly by zombee. i'm not saying I agree with her, but I'm not so sure of myself on the subjects I bring up...and she challenges me. Others do too, but they seem more intent on insulting me than actually providing evidence of my errors. Zombee obviously thinks I'm an idiot, but holds her temper and puts personal views aside and uses facts as weapons instead of snide insults. m

My point is, if you bring up an argument, you must not be that sure of your position. I'm not. i'm not here to argue about things i know, but things i want to know.