Do Republicans or Democrats create more freedom restricting laws?
Which of these two parties create more laws, more spacificly which one resticts more of our freedoms. Please back up your opinion with examples.
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Is this even a debate? Obviously the authoritarian right: - Anti-religious freedom, anti-marriage rights, anti-union rights, anti-abortion rights, pro-death penalty, anti-gay rights, anti-drug rights, anti-tobacco rights, anti-language freedom, pro racial profiling, anti-voting rights, anti-labor freedom, anti-bill of rights, anti-right to trial by jury, pro-torture, pro-draft, etc. etc. etc. - Republicans have a deep-seated hatred of social freedom. And this list just gets longer. Recently, right-wing messiah's like Santorum have come out supporting bans on gay sex and pornography. Nut jobs...one and all. Side: Republicans
Anti-religious freedom Yes, because the whole ban prayer from school thing was an attempt from the right... anti-marriage rights Oh yeah, I forgot about how Obama and the Democrats have finally legalized gay marriage... anti-union rights Who have delegated these rights to these unions? Why should the unions be treated as a special party? To suggest that laws should be passed in support of unions is saying that you want MORE LAWS restricting the freedoms of INDIVIDUALS. anti-abortion rights touche pro-death penalty only three states have the death penalty for both law and practice. As well, that is not a freedom restricting law. If you put someone in prison, you are already restricting their freedom. anti-gay rights touche anti-drug rights, Because Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the growing Libertarian movement in the Republican Party (and basically the strongest advocates for drug reform) are all Democrats, right? anti-tobacco rights Anti-tobacco is a liberal movement, but the problems we see in New York are a result of Democrats, sir. anti-language freedom If you mean foreign languages... which Republican is advocating that people should be banned from speaking different languages? If you mean the FCC... um, ever heard of Political Correctness? pro racial profiling wtf are you even talking about? anti-voting rights once again, wtf are you talking about? anti-labor freedom If you mean by elimination of legislation that restricts the private property rights of individuals for the sake of a the labor class, that actually means that they're for less laws... once again. anti-bill of rights Obama renewed the Patriot Act. The Democrats support the Fairness Doctrine (a doctrine that censors political radio shows). The Democrats are for gun control. The Democrats have completely disregarded the Tenth Amendment. So have the Republicans, but sir, do you know nothing on what the Democrats have done in the past century? anti-right to trial by jury Once again, Obama signed in the new Defense Act, which eliminates the need for trial by jury under Executive decision. pro-torture well, restricting the freedom of foreign suspected terrorists, but a half-touche pro-draft Ron Paul is opposed to the draft. Nixon ended the draft. Both are Republicans. Tell me, what major Democrats are against the draft? right-wing messiah's like Santorum have come out supporting bans on gay sex and pornography I feel like if Santorum never existed, you would have imploded a long time ago... Side: Democrats
Stop dodging the issues and look directly at the right's views. Yes, because the whole ban prayer from school thing was an attempt from the right... The left wants to ban FORCED prayer in school. The right was the side proposing it. That is in addition to supporting religious lobbying entities and making moronic christian doctrine the law of a secular state. Oh yeah, I forgot about how Obama and the Democrats have finally legalized gay marriage... Ya...because Obama can control state issues...And it's not like he has repealed anti-gay measures like DADT, things he can control. And are you actually going to argue that it's the left that is against gay marriage. Face the facts Who have delegated these rights to these unions? People have the right to unionize. The right wants to take away that right. Simple as that. However you frame it, it is the suppression of freedom. only three states have the death penalty for both law and practice. Are you going to argue that the right is against the death penalty? If you are, do so. As well, that is not a freedom restricting law. If you put someone in prison, you are already restricting their freedom. Prison takes away people's social mobility and other rights. Killing someone takes away ALL their rights. he growing Libertarian movement in the Republican Party (and basically the strongest advocates for drug reform) are all Democrats, right? Wow...are you actually going to argue that Libertarianism and Neo-conservatism are similar ideologies...or that republicans, not libertarians, are in favor of drug legalization?! but the problems we see in New York are a result of Democrats, sir. What "problems" are you referring to? And either way it is irrelevant. The right is against it. The left is for it. No two ways around that fact. If you mean foreign languages... I am referring to having one state-sanctioned and enforced language, which everyone must conform to. wtf are you even talking about? The right is in favor of racial-profiling (and laws), whether in counter-terrorism applications, or in regards to immigration. once again, wtf are you talking about? http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ anti-labor freedom Against allowing non-citizens to work. Obama renewed the Patriot Act. And the left just loves the Patriot Act... (sarcasm) The Democrats support the Fairness Doctrine 70 years ago... The Democrats are for gun control. I will give you that one. Republicans: 16. Democrats: 1 Obama signed in the new Defense Act Again...something supported by BOTH parties, thus nullifying its ability to be an argument for either side. And to Obama's slight credit, it can't be used during his presidency for said purpose. The Democrats have completely disregarded the Tenth Amendment. As have republicans. restricting the freedom of foreign suspected terrorists No. Restricting freedom of anyone the government deems a "terrorist." Ron Paul is opposed to the draft. Ron Paul is a Republican in name only. You and I both know that. The right is for it. Tell me, what major Democrats are against the draft? True. Although democrats are typically anti-war so it's hard to conceive them being pro-draft. Side: Republicans
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"Yes, because the whole ban prayer from school thing was an attempt from the right..." Prayer was not, has not, nor will be banned from schools. Nor has an attempt to do so been made. What was banned was school officials LEADING prayers thereby endorsing one religion over another. "Oh yeah, I forgot about how Obama and the Democrats have finally legalized gay marriage" Bout time too "Who have delegated these rights to these unions?" The U.S. Constitution under the first amendments stating that the people have the right to assemble and peaceably petition grievances. This is a strike against BOTH parties, Rep for trying to stop unions completely and Dems for creating areas where people a required to join "only three states have the death penalty for both law and practice" 32 States "Because Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the growing Libertarian movement in the Republican Party (and basically the strongest advocates for drug reform) are all Democrats, right?" Discussion is party platforms and actions, not individuals. Each party has individuals who contradict their main actions "Anti-tobacco is a liberal movement" False. There is no anti-tobacco movement. Only a movement for no public smoking...i.e. Not where it affects others. "once again, wtf are you talking about?" Arizona's SB 1070 comes to mind "Obama renewed the Patriot Act" And Bush started it, so that's a wash "The Democrats have completely disregarded the Tenth Amendment. So have the Republicans" Yep, both parties cherry pick which parts of the Constitution they want to enforce... Dem are all about 1st amendment and screw 2nd Rep are all about 2nd and screw 1st "Once again, Obama signed in the new Defense Act, which eliminates the need for trial by jury under Executive decision." No it does not "Ron Paul is opposed to the draft." Again, individuals do not mean party norm "Nixon ended the draft." No he didn't. Nixon stopped drafting for Vietnam, something he did as the war was already winding down towards our eventual loss. The draft still exists, it just isn't currently active Side: Republicans
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this must be a joke, i would have to say you sir have obviously never read the constitution, and dont understand what a right is. most of those are non existent phony made up rights propagated by a manipulative left, seeking to not only infringe on others rights, but violate the constitutions 14th amendment clause, which clearly states equal protection under the law, if you have a right i have to have the same right. they use this tactic to pit one american against another, (class, social warfare) after using its emotional dogma they then use it to create more taxes and fund it, leaving the rest of us footing the bill for something we find immoral. let me explain maybe i can help you out a little, first republicans are not anti religious freedom democrats are, this one is particularly confusing since it isnt republicans that have repeatedly tried to remove god from everything or force religious institutions to forego their beliefs to fund abortions or sanctify gay marriage. anti marriage rights ? i can only assume you are referring to gay people, if so then this is redundant, if not it makes no sense, especialy since marriage is not a right and doesnt apply to either. anti union rights? again no such thing, and even if their was you would have to overlook the total disregard unions have for the constitution, the illegal extortion tactics the forced politcal funding from unions dues, the flat out bribery they use to enrich themselves, at taxpayers expense and lining the pockets of democrats for doing it. anti abortion rights? this one is wrong on so many levels, its not funny, first they dont just want the right to abortion which doesnt exist, they want all of us to pay for it, so if you want to give reproductive rights, then, you first have to create an amendment, and second you have to give the right to everyone including men, that means if a woman can take me to court and sue me for child support, then i have to have a say if that baby gets aborted, also if i shoot a pregnant woman in the stomach and the baby dies but the woman is ok i still go to jail for murder, but the woman can go have it aborted tomorrow? not legal. pro-death penalty, yep and so are many liberals how do you think calif has the death penalty its run completely by democrats, also dont know if your aware but once you commit a felony or infringe on someone elses rights like killing someone lmao you lose your rights. anti gay rights? we already addressed that one no such thing. anti drug rights? wtf is that, are you implying you have a right to go buy drugs and get high? anti tobacco rights? again no such thing, but its democrats that have been stifling smoking with ridiculous legislation over taxation (obama raised them twice) and prohibiting it in such places as outdoor parks and privately owned restaurants and bars. anti language, wow i have no idea what that is, but again ive read the constitution its not in there, pro racial profiling, uh sure im for it, especially since its the only way you have to identify someone who has committed a crime, and is used by everyone including you even if you wont admit it. anti voting rights? ya ive heard this before, nothing republicans have done could even come close to this, you have a right to vote, not vote twice, not commit fraud, you dont have a right to not show proof that you are a citizen, and are entitled to that vote in the first place, or tell me my vote doesnt count because some illegal decided to violate the constitution. anti labor freedom? wow isnt that the same as your other union argument, again no such thing exists, and would violate the 14th amendment, anti bill of rights? again your not discussing a right, your claim is they are against the bill of rights?i have never heard of anyone against this, only democrats who want to take away our second amendment rights as well as others. anti right to trial by jury, uh no not true, unless your referring to terrorists, who arent entitled to our rights as they are not citizens, and wouldnt count because they were captured on a foreign battlefield. pro draft? never heard that either but again since it isnt a right, but still congress would have to pass legislation, and be signed by the president for it to be reinstated actually no republicans dont have a deep seated hate for social freedom history has shown that democrats are much more egregious with a track record to prove it, passing the jim crow laws, massive welfare programs that make people dependent and more poor , the civil rights bill passed by mostly, you guessed it republicans, including al gores father who voted against it, the real issue here is democrats who use these issues making emotional charges and bogus claims to make everyone else pay for it even if it violates my rights to do it. one could easily argue, it is the very people who claim to be for social freedom that are destroying it by huge amounts of restrictive legislation, excessive taxation, indoctrinization of our youth, and since the moral decline of our society is being promoted, funded, championed, by democrats who do so by taking away my rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness as well as equal protection under the law, and no taxation without representation, by funding them with executive fiat and misappropriating funds, i would say sorry but the facts say its democrats not republicans Side: Republicans
1. Anti-religious freedom: Democrats, not Republicans, are forcing Catholics to pay for abortions. 2. Anti-marriage rights: Republicans want to protect marriage and give tax breaks to married people or people in civil unions. 3. Anti-union rights: Unions should not negotiate their own terms and force people to pay dues for Democrat campaigns. Republicans are 'right to work' 4. Anti-abortion rights: Abortions should not be paid for by people not having them. They should be rare, and not trivial. Republicans support life. 5. Pro-death penalty: Criminals who take life viciously forfeit their right to live. 6. Anti-gay rights: I am not sure what these are? If people have the right to be anti-gay, it's Democrats, not Republicans, who have taken away this right. 7. Anti-drug rights: I know what you mean, but drugs are at least 1/2 of the cause of high school dropouts, crime, and poverty. 8. Anti-tobacco rights: Actually, this is Democrats. Seriously. Read about it. 9. Anti-language freedom: this is laughable. Make a list of words Democrats don't want you to say and a list Republicans don't want you to say. Not only that, Democrats force you to use other meaningless words; e.g. African American, Global Warming, etc. 10. Pro-racial profiling: No idea what you are talking about. Democrats talk about race. Republicans don't care. 11. Anti-voting rights: I actually agree with you. They are anti illegal immigrant voting, anti-felonious voting, and anti-cartoon character voting. 12. Anti-labor freedom: No. That's Democrats. Republicans like people to work for the money they get. 13. Anti-bill of rights: So Republicans took away religious freedom, freedom of speech, the separation of powers, and the second amendment? 14. Anti-right to a trial by jury: IF this were true they aren't doing a great job. 15. Pro-torture: I absolutely think terrorists should be tortured. Unfortunately we never did it. 16. Pro-draft: Every time Americans have been drafted started with a Democrat except for the Civil War, you know, the time Republicans ended slavery? OWNED Side: Republicans
First of all, you picked Republicans as creating more freedom restricting laws, which made me laugh. Second, America was founded on the idea that anyone, from any race or religion could live in a land where they are free to practice their beliefs in a diverse and multicultural "melting pot" of races. The problem I have with the Republican party, is that their ideologies have diverged to a single "christian" mindset. I would be a Republican if the GOP still behaved the same way as the Lincoln era. I love the idea of small government, and more freedom. But the GOP has become a party founded on "christian" beliefs, something that doesn't grant much freedom to anyone but a christian. Republicans want to protect marriage to the christian monogamous man and wife. Unions protect workers and keep corporations from taking advantage of the working class american. The population of the world is growing exponentially. Abortion is a great way to not only help that, but (opinion) I believe that a woman should not have to raise a child if she cannot afford to do so. (some children that grow up in foster care develop severe mental issues later in life) Anti-gay rights- saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. persecuting gays. not providing service to gays. Anti-drug rights: there is no statistic that says drugs cause at least 1/2 of high school dropouts/crime/poverty. There is evidence to show that growing up in poverty causes dropouts/crime and dems want to try to help those in need, you know, like jesus would do. Pro-torture- The only thing I have to say, is the US is a country that was founded on due process by law. What makes us "better" than the rest of the world is that we have a humane system of dealing with criminals. There are people in gitmo that have been detained with no evidence of comitting a crime. these people then get released and end up joining the taliban because they hate the US so much "unfortunately we never did it"-- wow. Also Nixon was president when the first Vietnam draft occured. I have a lot of issues with the democratic party. But since the great depression, I feel like democrats have been the party trying to look out for the average american. I believe the party is trying to grant freedom to all American's and not just the white christian majority. If you are a white straight male christian, then Republicans provide all the freedom you could want. But if you don't fall into that category then this doesn't really feel like the land of the free. "grab em by the pussy"- President number 45 (republican) Side: Republicans
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Wait anti religious freedom your a freaking retard liberals are the people taking away religious freedom but your to stupid to realize this. Oh they want to ban porn lol that's sad if you have something against republicans for banning porn as well lol and gay sex lol why do you care about that. Anti drug rights yes because we need a world full of drugs and people dying because of it. Anti tobacco rights what have you been reading LANGUAGE FREEDOM WHERE THE HECK ARE YOU GETTING YOU INFO FROM! Side: Republicans
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I know religious conservatives are loud and obnoxious, but they hardly represent the Republican Party, they’re just more often than not the ones you hear shouting ridiculous threats about how this country needs God or we will all suffer. BTW, I’m not trying to defend the republicans; it’s just that most people I know are republicans in a fiscal sense, but quite liberal on social issues even though they wouldn’t admit it. And I live in the Buybull belt… go figure. Anyway, while I don’t agree with either party presented in the debate, strict constitutionalists tend to fall under a more conservative approach. Considering the constitution (when followed) limits the amount of government power and gives it to the people, I would say that any attempt to give the federal government more control would be a step in the wrong direction. Less government translates to more freedom in my opinion, so I guess the question I'd like to know is which of the parties (Democrat, Republican or otherwise) limits the power of the federal government? Just curious of your thoughts on this. Side: Republicans
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I think it's important to clarify that the freedoms you mention are almost exclusively ones that come at the expense of others, ie "positive rights" Just a few examples: 1) Labor and union rights come at the expense of economic freedom. The only way you can grant a person rights as an employee is to limit the rights of businesses. If you want freedom from being fired for missing 14 days of work, then your boss needs to have revoked his freedom to fire lazy bums who miss 14 days of work. 2) Abortion rights come at the expense of the rights of the unborn. To support the freedom of convenience for the mother you must sacrifice the freedom of her unwanted, unborn future child. It's irrelevant in my mind whether this fetus is already alive or not, and the only thing that matters is the potential for it to be alive some day. You are correct that the Right doesn't support these so-called "positive rights". The only rights the gov't needs to respect are "negative rights," ie. the right to be free from gov't interference. Side: Republicans
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Oddly enough, the politicians who most loudly condemn liberal policies as socialist conspiracies are often the ones who try to enact the most repressive tenets of socialism. When it comes to moral ideology, conservatives in this country are even more socialist than liberals. The recent wave of health bills attempting to place limits on a woman’s reproductive freedoms, from proposed mandatory transvaginal ultrasound tests in Virginia to Arizona’s law requiring women to tell their employers that they use birth control, make China’s draconian reproductive policies look humane. As anyone who has lived in a socialist country can testify, the worst thing about socialism is the invasion of privacy, and the best things are governmental policies that benefit everyone, not just the rich and privileged. It is time for conservatives to wise up, and stop badmouthing socialism — because they’re really pointing the finger at themselves. - Yunte Huang - In defense of socialism Side: Republicans
It is moronic to say that the people who are always trying to take power away from government secretly want more of it and the opposite which is certainly true for Dems. Seeing your child is not any more invasive then grinding them up and sucking them out with a tube. All this nonesense about Republicans being obsessed with vaginas is counterfactual. Side: Republicans
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Republicans are not always trying to take powers away from government - look past their rhetoric. The example of 'womens health' is a good example. They try to insert their own opinions past the Supreme Court, and into one of the most personal decisions anyone can ever go through. When I see the word 'humane', I think more so that the Republicans policies are not effective at what they aim to do (stop abortions), they simply cause pain and suffering: they are cruel. The Chinese cause no more pain that is necessary to meet their goals (a one child policy). While the Republicans goal is something which I agree with much more, that's not to say that they go the right way about trying to reach this goal. Agreed. I don't think that Republicans are 'obsessed' with vaginas, nor do I think that it is a scheme to try and 'control' women, as many also claim. But I do think that they are inconsistent with their logic, need to consider the social effects of such a blanket ban, and need to take this into consideration before applying such an absolutist view of deontological ethics. Side: Democrats
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Neither create more. They just tend to restrict freedom in different ways. The real problem is the fact that these two parties have so much traction already that they've become a de facto dichotomy in terms of voting power; third parties rarely get a meaningful amount of votes, and are often seen as a wasted vote- even if one doesn't care for either republicans or democrats, one of these still tends to seem the lesser of two evils, and it's perceived as better to vote for the lesser of two evils than risk letting the greater evil get more votes. The two party system we have needs to go- I don't have a good solution for this, unfortunately. Side: Republicans
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I'm no expert in specific politics of the US, I've learnt most of what I know from the last 6 months, but to the best of my knowledge, democrats seek to increase the effective freedom of the population as a whole. Through supplying many basic needs to people, such as healthcare, those with lots lose very little, and those with nothing gain lots. This allows a much larger majority of the population to actually exert their freedom. Side: Republicans
First you need to realize that we really only have one party, The Big Government Party. Both sides increasingly empower the federal government to reach into every corner of our lives. You also need to accept the fact that it can not be the role of the try and create equality of condition, only equality of liberty or opportunity. There is no right to health care at another's expense. There is no right to food, shelter or clothing at another's expense. Another fact you must accept is that we are living in a post constitutional era, where the government picks and chooses what laws it will follow. Democrats and Republicans support the bank cartel which turns us all into debt slaves. Democrats and Republicans both support the prison industrial complex. Both Republicans and Democrats support the systems which take away your right to control your own health care choices, the right to transfer your belongings to your heirs as you see fit, the right to do what you wish on your own property, the right to plan your own financial future. The federal government dictates what kind of car you may drive, what light bulbs and toilets you can buy, whether or not you can drink raw milk. In particular, the Democrat wing wants to disarm the populace by denying Second Amendment rights. They lie and say it is about hunting, all the while denying it's true purpose and advancing their soft tyranny. The Democrats want to force everyone into a cradle to grave single payer health care system. Democrats want to allow you to be forced to join a labor union as a condition of employment. Democrats want to force religious citizens to act against their beliefs. Democrats want to allow the killing of babies born alive after botched abortions. I am an atheist but am sickened by the lack of regard for human life. I strongly suggest you take the time to educate yourself as to what is really going on. The Fabian Socialists won WW2. We are marching towards total government control while the benighted masses are content with their bread and circuses. Wake up. Side: Democrats
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Throughout history Republicans have constantly fought freedom in Congress for the average citizen. Study up! Every basic freedom that you enjoy today was argued and pushed by Democratic groups in the US. Yes, Democrats want freedom of choice. Democrats want government to take care of US citizens, rather than the Republicans creating more private profiteers to take care of US citizens. The middle would be to let non-profits run all health care and retirement. There would be not profit, CEO cost of millions of dollars, or extravagant privatized added administration costs. The current government programming tends to give the best buck for the dollar for the program that is desired. Ask any Congressman. Privatized health care will become like Com cast. They will raise the cost health care insurance, and retirement every month until no one can afford it any longer. The personal investments of health care and retirement monies will go into Wall street with the huge possibility of being wiped out. What a stupid plan. If you could not lose money in Wall street and the economic system were perfect it would work, but as we now know Wall street and investing are long shot of people taking great risk for high returns. In another 20 years the government health care will not be available and much of the investment will be lost. The Republican party will just say, "Sorry Charlie, you voted for it and you lost it. It's fair." Good Luck to everyone and their investments if Romney wins. Side: Republicans
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Which party is it that wants to regulate the fatty foods you can or cannot eat? Which party is it that wants to ban a entire company (chick fil a) from coming to their cities due to the owners personal beliefs? Which party is it that wants to ignore the second amendment and take guns from the hands of law abiding citizens? Which party is it that wants the FCC to take radio shows like Rush Limbaugh OFF THE AIR for saying things they don't agree with? Which party is it that wants to have people thrown in jail for language that is offensive to others? Which party is it that pushed laws that enable minority races to get college admissions over non minorities that may be more qualified? Which party pushed a law that FORCES people to pay out of pocket for healthcare or pay a fine? Which party pushed laws trying to FORCE religious institutions to provide contraception? The answer to all the above questions is DEMOCRATS! At all times democrats believe that they know what is best for you and because of that, they have the right to make laws that tell you what you can or can't do. Thankfully in America there is a significant number of those on the right who often successfully thwart them. History has shown what happens when the left gains absolute power to decide what is or is not best for people (USSR). Side: Democrats
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Neither create more. They just tend to restrict freedom in different ways. The real problem is the fact that these two parties have so much traction already that they've become a de facto dichotomy in terms of voting power; third parties rarely get a meaningful amount of votes, and are often seen as a wasted vote- even if one doesn't care for either republicans or democrats, one of these still tends to seem the lesser of two evils, and it's perceived as better to vote for the lesser of two evils than risk letting the greater evil get more votes. The two party system we have needs to go- I don't have a good solution for this, unfortunately. Side: Democrats
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"President Roosevelt enacted discriminatory practices with Executive Order 9066 of February 1942, which paved the way for Japanese American internment during which approximately 120,000 people of Japanese descent (American citizens as well as Japanese nationals) were interned during the war. Americans of Italian and German descent, along with Italian and German nationals, were also interned, but on a much smaller scale (see Italian American internment and German American internment). In Korematsu v. United States (1944), the Supreme Court upheld the Executive Order. It was the first instance of the Supreme Court applying the strict scrutiny standard to racial discrimination by the government and for being one of only a handful of cases in which the Court held that the government met that standard." President Roosevelt was a Democrat. "when biracial Republican coalitions controlled the legislatures, several Southern states repealed anti-miscegenation laws. As Democrats returned to power, between 1870 and 1884, legislatures passed anti-miscegenation laws in all the states of the Confederacy to re-establish white supremacy.[1]" The fairness doctrine was created, supported and is still supported by Democrats. Republicans have repeatedly stopped it from passing, consequently preserving free speech. Side: Democrats
comparing the democrats of 1870 to the democrats of today is pointless. back then the democrats were the conservatives. back then Democrats held the south. and it was the south that wanted the anti-miscegenation laws. it was the modern democrats that passed the civil rights act for example and in so doing lost that southern vote to republicans.(and good riddance) and republicans don't want the fairness doctrine past because it would put fox news out of business. (their viewers being demonstrably and consistently more misinformed on contentious issues then other news networks) allowing corporations the continue to lie to the public and call it news is not a freedom loving act. it is akin to some of the first acts dictators throughout history have taken: control the news. Side: Republicans
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"comparing the democrats of 1870 to the democrats of today is pointless. back then the democrats were the conservatives. back then Democrats held the south. and it was the south that wanted the anti-miscegenation laws" I realize that ideology's change with time (somewhat) but current day Democrat evolved from the democrats of the past they didn't change parties. Democrats have been notoriously less religiously Conservative then republicans but they are only self proclaimed "progressives" and "open minded". The argument that current day Democrats are not racist or don't hold the same views as they did in the 1800s is false. Do you remember the Robert Byrd scandal? "Despite being the only Senator to vote against both African American U.S. Supreme Court nominees (liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas) and filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Byrd has since said joining the Klan was his "greatest mistake." The NAACP gave him a 100% rating on their issues during the 108th Congress.[11] However, in a 2001 incident Byrd repeatedly used the phrase "white niggers" on a national television broadcast"
"West Virginia's Democratic United States Senator Robert C. Byrd was a recruiter for the Klan while in his 20s and 30s, rising to the title of Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter. After leaving the group, Byrd spoke in favor of the Klan during his early political career. Though he claimed to have left the organization in 1943, Byrd wrote a letter in 1946 to the group's Imperial Wizard stating "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd defended the Klan in his 1958 U.S. Senate campaign when he was 41 years old.[10] Then there is Harry s.s Truman who dropped the atom bomb, was a racist (towered Japanese) and made concentration camps in America for Japanese citizen. "and republicans don't want the fairness doctrine past because it would put fox news out of business. (their viewers being demonstrably and consistently more misinformed on contentious issues then other news networks)" That is your opinion all media is biased and they always have been but even so they are necessary (all of them) if you punish any media group for saying things that someone else (there opinion) thinks is wrong or biased then you have basically signed over all news and media to the government. You may be okay with that since most likely the news would coincide with your beliefs but I am not. I think an appropriate quote here is: I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Voltaire Read more at http://www.brainyquote. "allowing corporations the continue to lie to the public and call it news is not a freedom loving act. it is akin to some of the first acts dictators throughout history have taken: control the news." I hate the "corporation" copout argument. In a free society we are able and capable of finding and hearing all information and opinions out there and coming to our own conclusions. If you or anyone els completely buys into any one news outlet then you are an idiot but you have the right to be one. Side: Democrats
n fact over 1/4 (27%) of all (D)'s voted against the 1965 Voting Rights act in the Senate as opposed to (R) where only 6% were against. The (D) often get credit because a (D) president was in office and signed it. So you are not even aware of the facts. Or the fact that Eisenhower (R) fought a 125 hour filibuster to pass civil rights legislation. (R) freed slaves and gave women the right to vote. As well as Fox news AND MSNBC watchers were found to be misinformed, I like how people only quote the half that supports their argument. This is pretty much a fact devoid statement that should be taken down lest someone read it and think that you actually looked up your "facts" Side: Democrats
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