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Yes Israel has a right to exist. And to do so peacefully. Questioning Israel’s very “right to exist” is a well-employed tool of Israel’s detractors to call into question the Jewish state’s legitimacy as part of an effort to undermine her.
Ya that very coherent load of bullshit, Isreals legitamacy is called in question because it was founded on the eviction of millions of palestians who still live as refugees in camps in places like lebanon. You can't hide the extreme bias you hold that easily, even when your trying to.
Isreal is currently one th greatest terrorits nations on earth(topped only by the US of course), to deny this is to deny reality. Good day.
Hide my bias. About as well as you hide yours. Israel a terrorists nation...what a crock of bullshit. Palestinians reap what they sow. They are not interested in peace. They are suckled and raised to hate everything and everyone Jewish. While thousands of Arabs live and thrive in Israel. Palestine's worst enemy is themselves.
Ya those 1200 hundred civilians(400 hundred of which were children) who were brutally murdred in Gaza by bombs and dropping white phosphurus on them really had it coming didnt they. Do you why Isreal denied dropping white phosphurus, ill tell you, its becasue its illegal under interbational law to use it, just like its illegal to evict palestina people from their home and build settlements and blckade Gaza etc etc.
White phosphurus is illegal to use in war (not that the Gaza massacre was a war) as it burns at over 600 degress celsius (thats how enough to burn the flesh right off your bones) and when you apply water it reacts and burns faster. THIS WAS DROPPED ON CHILDREN WHO RAN AND COWARD IN FEAR. No Isreal can never be called a terrorist nation. WHAT WAS I THINKING.
Now im not a hypocrite like you, i can acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist organization BUT can you acknowledge that Isreal is as well and that its a far more effective one in the scale of damage, destruction and suffering it causes.
A hypocrite...really. It is extremely obvious we are never going to agree on this issue. I have always and will always stand with Israel. I bid you adieu.
Why can you not openly acknowledge the truth??????????? I have, why can you not dot the same, if you dont want to continue fair enough but be warned you are obviously incapable of looking at this objecttively, therefore your on the edge of extremism.
I am very aware of the stances and claims of both sides. Which is exactly why I stand with Israel. Extremism...LoL! I'm not the one bursting a blood vessel.
I'm not bursting a blood vessel, i dont know what gave you that impression. You standing by isreal is hypoctrical cause you refuse to acknowledge their actions are those of a terrorist nation. I openly admit Hamas carrys out terrorist acts. I have no personal bias towards the Palestian people, im not a muslim, im an athiest. If you can clear Isreal of all their guilt just because you on their side, well ya thats what id call an extremist, or at least your nearly there.
BWhahahahahahahahhahahahahha, god im glad im not you, seriously man you must lead a very unfufillling life, your range of human experience must be very narrow indeed. Free your mind. Peace out.
What about the right of the Palestinians to do so? They were simply displaced and unsupported by the UK and the UN even though it went against UN laws.
I agree with you completely on this, completely (Jesus i didnt think id be typing this to you, perhaps i judged you too quickly). Answer me this question, exactly what do you mean when you say sovereign, democratic palestine. In my mind that means the right to all the land accquired by Isreal in the June 1967 war, complete removal of all settlers, granting of a full Palestinian state with east Jeruselem as its capital and the amending of Isreali law to grant any palestian living in Isreal the same rights as any Jew.
BTW: Sorry bout the disputed, im just so used to clicking it.
Yes, the 1967 borders, all Israel settlements (and walls) out of those borders... it's only fair that they should be allowed to have East Jerusalem as their capital. However I don't think Israel has to allow the Palestinians who left Israel, come back, but the ones still there should be able to stay and after a reasonable amount of time and peace, then yes, the Palestinians living in Israel should be granted the same right as Jews
What if you were one of those palestian people who can still remember being removed by force from your home and thrown into a refugee camp. So only the Jews should be granted the right of return, thats effectively what you are saying. Thats favouritism my friend and if you dont openly acknowledge it, then its hypocracy as your clearly biased for the Isreal Jews.
I think you beleive what you are saying, what you dont seem to realise is Isreal has no intention of granting any of the things we both mentioned. This is what you need to realise, you can argue all day and all night about if the bombs stopped, and if this & that happened, then they would grant the palestians a state, but its just not true. The recnet Palestian Papers prove it.
No, as usual you are putting words in my mouth Gary! I never said the Jews should be allowed to return? I don't think they should either although it doesn't really matter as I'm sure most Jews would not want to return anyway.
I'm not putting words in your mouth. You believe the Isreali state has the right to exist, therefore you beleive the Jews had the right to return to their historic homeland in the first place i.e. 1947. I dont, i just think they've been there too long to move them, they've formed a powerful extremist right wing state with washingtons backing.
BTW Jews are allowed the right of return, in fact many of the settlers who are kicking palestians off land that is rightfully theirs are from far raching places e.g. russia, europe etc etc. Do you watch any of the fundamentalist christians news station, they post applications for Jews looking to live in Isreal all the time, what they dont say is you have the oppurtiunity to kick a palestian off land hes owned for generations.
In short, you couldnt be more hypocritcal or wrong if you tried.
Forget it Gary... going round and round with you gives me a headache and I wasn't even disagreeing with you that much on this one. You read into it what you want... I know what I meant and what I said.
What if you didnt have a life to move onto i.e. no country is willing to permently accept you as a citizen casue you have political refugee status, its not easy for these people, you just can't look at anything from other than your own perspective and becsaue of that you cant understand anyone plight, so you just buy whatever shit your told by the elites who run your country.
You see they had home before they moved tio Isreal,thats what you seem to forget. They displaced peopel when they moved. They are colonising the place, just as they did when they first arrived.
Let me set you anti-Israel goat fuckers straight on this.
There exists in Rome Italy, a monument called the Arch Of Titus.
It shows the sacking and looting of the Jewish Temple in AD 70 by roman legions under Titus.
For those of you Arab cock sucking traitors who say otherwise, (that there was never a temple), I humbly offer this proof to you boy buggering , nut gnawers.
May you all die with tree limbs in your asses, I spit on you all.
Israel is completely legitimate. It has a legal basis in the British Mandate, in addition to the UN Partition Plan. Furthermore, a large Jewish population had been settling there since the 1800s. The fact that terrorist organizations dominate the region and provide the only alternative to the democratic Israeli government further establishes Israeli legitimacy.
From my understanding of Israel's history, which i admit is minimal, it would be similar to if Russia would of took the usa over, then before they gave back the land took a large portion of it and gave it to native Americans, many of which where actually from south America, armed them to the teeth, etc.
I think most Americans would agree that they would want to resurrect America, and view the state set up by Russia and other foreigners as obstacles to that goal. Probably spouting about how such a state should not exist, doesn't have the right to exist, etc etc. Really, whats the significant differences between Palestine and the hypothetical America I just laid out?
I agree completely with this, i think your anology is quite insightful but you have to realise that Isreal is here to stay, thats why i my orginal argument was on the yes side, its not because i think Isreal actually has some God given right or becuause way back in history they controlled some of the land, its because they are they to stay.They aint goin anywhere so we might as well acknowledge the reality of the State of Isreal.
The Zionists formed Israel with the blessing of the UN and the UK, but no one seemed to take the Palestinian point of view into consideration. Their land was taken and then people call them terrorists for fighting to take it back.
"Stolen Land" Well sir are you farmiliar with conquer's justice no land stays in the same hands for ever
The Romans one had all of Europe in their hand and they lost, now test your own logic does the roman empire instantly deserve their lands because they have a "significant connection to the land" absolutely not. Germany lost lands that were pure german for almost 2000 years to russia and poland (prussia, pommerania silesia etc)
and stop with this zionist crap you just sound like a biggot, bottom line land changes DEAL WITH IT. The nation with a strong army always wins over the nation with a weak one history proves such
