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 Is there such a thing as free will ? (9)

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Is there such a thing as free will ?

There is possibly no such thing as free will, what are your views do you have free will ?

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If you can decide to do something...and then you do it, then you have free will...unless of course God planned for you to think those thoughts and then carry out those actions, then you would not have free will...

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Free will = the ability to make choices

Determinism = all things (or some things, depending on one's interpretation of the philosophy,) are set to happen, as a mere matter of simple cause and effect

These do not contradict. If everything is determined, then so too are our choices. However, by definition of us having choices, though they are determined, we have still exercised free will. Hence, free will exists even in the strictest sense of the world's reality, which many say is determinism.

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I like your reasoning and thank you for giving your thoughts I thought more people might be interested in this topic , but there you go . This topic i find interesting because opinions are very divided , did you's make a study of different opinions ? Or are these your long held views ?

lolzors93(3225) Clarified
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These are my long held views.

I believe in God. I believe that He is in complete control. But I also believe that He allowed us free will, stepped back to allow us to exercise it.

It is in our nature that we sin. It is not in Gods nature to sin. It is by our free will that we sin.

I believe God knows what we will do before we do it..but I don't believe He causes us to do it. If that were the case he would be the author of evil...and would create people with the purple to sin.

lolzors93(3225) Disputed
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So what do you think about Proverbs 16:4? Can we go against the will of God?

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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If you don't believe in God of course you can , because the concept means nothing .

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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I'm sorry to disappoint you but you claim it's not In Gods nature to sin , why then is he responsible for 2.8 million deaths in the bible ? And do you not think the slaughter of babies is a crime?

I have never killed even a fly your God has killed 2.8 million and he is a better person ? Now that's sick !

No offence intended but I do know what's coming , Christians always say " your taking it out of context " .It states very clearly in the bible that no one can interpret the bible it has to be presented as given , so how come Christians re interpret it ?

Also in the bible your God states " not one word or law is to be changed " and he says his wrath will be displayed on those who disobey Any of his instructions .That means all Christians who are not obeying his every law ( look it up ) by the way I'm an expert on the bible and always quote honestly . I wish you only good you are a nice polite person I'm not attacking you just your religion ,and you have just as much right to attack Atheism and I will never take offence .

churchmouse(325) Clarified
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A pagan trying to understand the Law. Christ came because the Law could not be followed perfectly. We are not held to the Law today. Christ fulfilled it.

You say no offense intended...not sure I am buying it.

It takes the Holy Spirits help to interpret the Word. Do you have the Holy Spirit?

His Wrath will be poured out on unbelievers.

If you do not have the Holy Spirit you have head knowledge of the Bible...you do not know it perfectly. To even say that is absurd.

If you were an expert...you would know about the Law and you clearly do NOT.

Why does this topic keep coming up on a debate site? By participating in a debate, on either side, one simply must act under the assumption that there is free will.

If there is no free will, then ones opinion is not actually ones own, and whether or not one debates it is immaterial; If we cannot freely learn, form opinions, explain them, listen to others, and reinforce or change our own opinions accordingly, then the very purpose of debate is lost.

In the actual debate of whether or not there is free will, free will always wins by default- asserting that free will does not exist is simultaneously an assertion that one cannot actually have an opinion or debate a topic. The case against free will, in terms of debate, essentially loses by default every time as near as I can tell.

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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It was not put up to upset or annoy anyone , as a fairly new person here I wasn't aware it had been " done to death" .

I was interested to hear different opinions on the topic because it is one of the most written and talked about questions in philosophy .Most people give totally different reasons for there answers to this age old question .Incidentally there is no definitive answer on the topic as a quick search will demonstrate , a recent TED talk by experts in this field claim that in fact we do not have free will and they put forward a good case using neuro science .

thousandin1(1931) Clarified
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Oh, I wasn't annoyed by any means, just a bit incredulous. It doesn't come up quite as often as the religious or abortion debates that seem to pop up thrice a day, but I do see this kind of thing somewhat regularly. May be getting wires crossed with another site?

In terms of my opinion, I'm not certain, but I think in terms of debate we pretty much have to work under the assumption that free will is real. Maybe my logic is flawed.

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Hmmm? Well, since this debate has been posted about a thousand times on this site alone... I'd say no.

Since no one asks to be born, there is no free will. That's just the way it is.