Without a doubt! The thing is I'm not trying to force him or anyone into a behavior change. I do not believe it can be done in this case. I do not get in on his debates nor is he allowed to post on mine and I'm fine with that. But that isn't the point of this debate J. I'm wondering why and how CD puts up with this while trying to make themselves a viable site and have a reputable name.

Wow, nicely said...

Hmmm...Weird how no one on here would ever agree to do something so rational...

I have also seen him pull up a lobster and, on occasion, a tire.

I see your dilemma Kukla...For some odd reason I seem to sense a deja vu event occurring here. ;D

Well, I really have no right offering my advice, but hey, why not?

I have seen so many of Joe's debates pass through here. Some have an underlying meaning, others, well..no. Either way Joe is what I would consider a character. He is one with an occasional joke, and a rare point. Nevertheless, I find Joe amusing. Many times before I have been so wound up in a debate, then I scroll down to read some twisted joke that only Joe could write.

On the other hand, his stereotypical comments have more than doubled hear of late. Plus, he doesn't take into consideration who just he is offending. So, in a jumbled conclusion, I will say this. There are pros and cons to Joe, and I'm not sure if we should live with the quirks or try to ignore him as a whole. Hmmm. I guess this argument didn't really have a point. Interesting.

The irony of it certainly didn't escape me.

Hi Headless...I think banning him from our debates is a good thing and would slow him down to quite a degree...one would hope. I'm not certain about kicking him off the site, however, I've certainly given him enough suggestions so he could think about things he's doing. That hasn't worked for me. I can ask what the powers that be think about this and get their opinion but I think I already know the answer! Perhaps if more people told him straight out what they think, that would help...I really don't know. We can try.

Oh my! Would you recommend that? Would you really? Can you come down off your ski slope long enough to truly understand what this debate is about or is that just too much of an altitude/pressurization problem for you?

OK...it's too much for you! I'll try and give you a short but sweet analogy. If your computer was running slower and slower on a daily basis it would most likely be a problem of not cleaning it properly. In order to bring it up to speed and operate the way it should, you'd take steps to clean it up wouldn't you? Answer is YES! That's the issue here! We're trying to figure out the best way to clean up this site so it operates the way it was designed to!

Now, since these matters seem to be of little or no importance to you, why don't you go and commune with your plentiful pines and change your life...go make some angels in the snow, it's fun!

Now, I know that at times Joe can be ..er...bothersome.

However, he, on occasion ;), has some thought-provoking questions, and when really taking perspective on a question, gives great answers. I know several of you think the pros outweigh the cons, but you can't knock out everyone who angers you with some offensive comments. This is a debate site people...It is bound to get personal at one time or another.

I guess my issue with your comment here is that I have seen from experience that is not the answer to your problems. Completely cutting him off, and stripping him of his points won't help the situation. I have been in Joe's shoes..haha...I must be empathetic here...I say we give him a chance, and possibly if he has an introspective moment he can cut back on the comments out of consideration.

I defended him as well and very heavily. Bettyjoe, I could give a hangnail about his points! That's not what I'm all about. You cannot take away his points, that wouldn't be fair as it stands now. But the one thing you can do is not allow him to participate in your debates nor you his if you feel as I do.

I'd like to know what I have to gain by being the point leader? Do you think I care about that at all? I just happen to have more time and more interest than others because I'm disabled and home 24/7. I don't have much else to do except play Mobsters on another site and walk my dog. You've not seen me over-answer on debates or make a comment every time someone else makes one. I'm not here for the comedy show and since you really don't know me as others do, that was a tasteless remark.