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Who said it? Nom or Joseph Goebbels?
Joseph Goebbel's quote-
It is rotten and dismal that a world of so many hundred million people should be ruled by a single caste that has the power to lead millions to life or to death, indeed on a whim...This caste has spun its web over the entire earth; capitalism recognizes no national boundaries...Capitalism has learned nothing from recent events and wants to learn nothing, because it places its own interests ahead of those of the other millions. Can one blame those millions for standing up for their own interests, and only for those interests? Can one blame them for striving to forge an international community whose purpose is the struggle against corrupt capitalism? Can one condemn a large segment of the educated Stürmer youth for protesting against the greatest ability? Is it not an abomination that people with the most brilliant intellectual gifts should sink into poverty and disintegrate, while others dissipate, squander, and waste the money that could help them? … You say the old propertied class also worked hard for what it has. Granted, that may be true in many cases. But do you also know about the conditions under which workers were living during the period when capitalism “earned” its fortune?
Letter to Anka Stalherm (14 April 1920), quoted in Ralph Georg Reuth, Goebbels (Harvest, 1994), pp. 33-34.
Your silly right wing propaganda is very boring, bronto.
Also, it's very ironic. You are literally resurrecting the lies and hate speech of the Nazis, while calling other people Nazis on the grounds that the Nazis said so.
When all of your information comes from Nazis, I am afraid you only discredit yourself by calling anyone else a Nazi.
As you are fully aware, I am a Marxist. The Marxists were the single greatest enemy of the Nazis.
The Nazis regularly turned reality upside down to sell their ideology, which is precisely what you have been doing for the entire two years I have been here.
As you are fully aware, I am a Marxist. The Marxists were the single greatest enemy of the Nazis.
The Communists are the greatest enemy of the Communists. They are always killing each other. Mao vs Mao equals death, plain and simple. If Communists weren't busy killing each other, they'd have already conquered the world.
The Communists are the greatest enemy of the Communists
Nonsense. If you want to talk about persecuted groups then forget the Jews. Communists are right up there with them.
They are always killing each other. Mao vs Mao equals death, plain and simple
I think you are radically misunderstanding the situation. People like Stalin and Mao were not Communists. They seized power for themselves, which makes them the precise opposite of Communists. The basis of the theory of Communism is that the working class are given back the means of production from the rich elite. Therefore, if Mao owns the means of production then that is not a Communist state.
The problem is a complex one, because in reality the transition to Communism is -- according to even Marx himself -- going to have to be preceded by a period where the state must take responsibility for redistributing wealth and introducing social services. It is in this period that Communist states are -- or at least have been in the past -- exposed to megalomaniacs like Stalin and Mao. Do not forget that things could have been much different in Russia had Stalin not had all his political rivals murdered.
It clearly is nonsense. Even if we accept your false premise that true Communist states have ever existed, then the Soviet Union was one of the world's top two superpowers for over half a century, during which time it invented satellites and put the first man into space. The Soviet Union did not collapse because of the Soviet Union. It collapsed because of a forty year arms race with the United States. Your version where the United States and its allies had nothing to do with it is absolute revisionist poppycock.
Even if we accept your false premise that true Communist states have ever existed
I've never offered up that opinion. You have presented a position as though it's mine.
then the Soviet Union was one of the world's top two superpowers for over half a century, during which time it invented satellites and put the first man into space.
The Nazis invented the World's First Mass-Produced Helicopter. Are you going to bow before the golden calf? Stop it already.
The Soviet Union did not collapse because of the Soviet Union. It collapsed because of a forty year arms race with the United States. Your version where the United States and its allies had nothing to do with it is absolute revisionist poppycock.
I haven't offered a version. Why are you debating for me. Debate your own position. Stay on your own side of the road.
You just purported that Mao was a Communist, and attempted to use him as a reason why Communists are the greatest enemy of Communists. Hence, it is false that you have never offered up that opinion, since Mao once ran China.
The Nazis invented the World's First Mass-Produced Helicopter. Are you going to bow before the golden calf? Stop it already.
This is a blatantly stupid false association fallacy. The Nazis have absolutely nothing to do with the Communists. The Nazis dedicated themselves to wiping out Communism, in fact. They were two of the greatest ideological enemies the world has ever known. I actually am shocked by how patently disingenuous you are being by pretending that criticising the Nazis is the same thing as criticising Communists.
I think you are radically misunderstanding the situation. People like Stalin and Mao were not Communists. They seized power for themselves, which makes them the precise opposite of Communists. The basis of the theory of Communism is that the working class are given back the means of production from the rich elite. Therefore, if Mao owns the means of production then that is not a Communist state.
I think the darts are missing the target here. The dream is the carrot on the stick. The dream never happens. The dream is an excuse to trap the masses into dictatorships. This should be a caution to you to ever believe anyone offering you the same dream as Stalin.
If you knew a man offering people candy was killing people by luring them with the candy, would you not be cautious if you saw a man offering people candy on the street? For god's sake, don't try to get the candy. He plans to shove you in his trunk. Do you understand?
I think the darts are missing the target here. The dream is the carrot on the stick.
That is an absurd way of looking at things. Let's apply your belief that social progress is a "carrot on a stick" to technological progress. Should we not leave the cave because progress is a myth? I mean, what are you actually saying here? We shouldn't try to better ourselves?
The dream is an excuse to trap the masses
The masses are already trapped. That's why Communism was theorised in the first place: as a means to emancipate them. You appear to be under some rather classic false perceptions. Capitalism is an economic hierarchy where the poor work for the rich. It is only one small step up from feudalism.
That is an absurd way of looking at things. Let's apply your belief that social progress is a "carrot on a stick" to technological progress. Should we not leave the cave because progress is a myth? I mean, what are you actually saying here? We shouldn't try to better ourselves?
Slow down. You tell me Communism has never been correctly applied, but the offers of Marxist Theory are constantly offered and have been offered like candy to children at a parade. Why does it never work out? Why doesn't anyone ever get the actual candy? Why does the dream never come to fruition!?
Have you ever considered that it's just that; a dream? A dream used by tyrants to round up the peasants like cattle?
You tell me Communism has never been correctly applied, but the offers of Marxist Theory are constantly offered
No they aren't. They are misrepresented and attacked, just like you are doing right now. America and the west went to war with Communism, so your belief that happened adjacent to "Marxist Theory" being "constantly offered" is absurd. The state was offering people the same thing it was fighting against? That's really, really silly.
Obama, Theresa May, Angela Merkel, Bernie Sanders, Sweden and Denmark are not at war with Communism. The days you describe are not today.
so your belief that happened adjacent to "Marxist Theory" being "constantly offered" is absurd. The state was offering people the same thing it was fighting against?
It's been offered to Cuba and Venezuela, even to Brazil. Brazil tried it, wound up in a military dictatorship, then retreated once its brain kicked in. The other two countries are hellholes.
I'm sitting in a houseboat on a big, beautiful lake. Am I trapped in the boat? If I jump off the boat, am I trapped in the lake? If I guzzle a cold one, am I trapped in the bottle? Explain how I'm trapped.
Do the masses have the choice to not have 7 children?
That's why Communism was theorised in the first place: as a means to emancipate them.
But is that what the promise of it is used for?
You appear to be under some rather classic false perceptions.
I'm a realist. You are an idealist.
Capitalism is an economic hierarchy where the poor work for the rich.
Buy some land. Build a farm. Work for John Doe by choice or for yourself by threat of starvation. You are a slave to your body's needs. That isn't capitalism's fault. It's being born and biology's fault. Are you going to get pissed at the universe? Who are you directing this disappointment at? Should you have stayed in the womb where it's warm, eternally? What exactly is the point you are making?
I'm sitting in a houseboat on a big, beautiful lake. Am I trapped in the boat?
Again, you either misunderstand reality or you are purposefully being fallacious. Some people profit under hierarchical systems otherwise they would be completely useless. This is true of monarchism, feudalism, fascism and capitalism. The point is that, because they are hierarchical pyramid systems, the number of people who genuinely profit when divided against the total sum of resources available is very, very small. Communism is an attempt to see everyone profit rather than just a select few social elites.
Again, you either misunderstand reality or you are purposefully being fallacious. Some people profit under hierarchical systems otherwise they would be completely useless. This is true of monarchism, feudalism, fascism and capitalism.
It's true of real life. If you could rid the world of all of those systems, they would result in the same hierarchy only under another name or another form.
The point is that, because they are hierarchical pyramid systems, the number of people who genuinely profit when divided against the total sum of resources available is very, very small.
I got a job and saved my money. Anyone can do it, including you.
Communism is an attempt to see everyone profit rather than just a select few social elites.
Everyone I know has things the generation before us would have killed for.
You are preaching idealism. Tell me why a murdering thief deserves as much as a peaceful, hard working saint?
