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You are right.

But only if you are going to adopt the right religion, which says "there is no compulsion in religion" ,diversity of religions has nothing to do with the historical facts you pointed at.

Note that these stupid things made in the name of religions mostly are made out of misguidance , and not necessarily to be teachings of the religion.

1 point

It was very simple boat. It was Just made of wood plates tied with ropes, It was not like what was mentioned in the Bible.

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It did happen, but not in way that people think. It was a [ local ] flood.

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In few words I will argue all your quotes all together:

Christian confession:

Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, Chicago, one of the most prestigious Christian Evangelical Mission in the world, answering the question — "Is the Bible the Word of God?" (also the title of his book), under the heading: IT IS HUMAN, YET DIVINE. He says on page 17:

"Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, 1 1 have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men." (Emphasis added).

Another erudite Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says on page 277 of his book, "The Call of the Minaret":

"Not so the New Testament . . . There is condensation and editing; there is choice, reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the Church behind the authors. They represent experience and history."

If words have any meaning, do we need to add another word of comment to prove our case? No! But the professional propagandists, after letting the cat out of the bag, still have the face to try to make their readers believe that they have proved beyond the shadow of any doubt that the Bible is the "irrefragable Word of God." Their semantic gymnastics — equivocating, and playing with words — is amazing!

these Doctors of Religion are telling us in the clearest language humanly possible that the Bible is the handiwork of man, all the while pretending that the are proving to the contrary. An old Arab saying goes: "IF SUCH ARE THE PRIESTS, GOD BLESS THE CONGREGATION."

I have no hesitation in acknowledging that in the Bible, there are three different kinds of witnessing recognizable without any need of specialized training. These are:

1. You will be able to recognize in the Bible what may be described as "The Word of God."

2. You will also be able to discern what can be described as the "Words of a Prophet of God."

3. And you will most readily observe that the bulk of the Bible is the records of eye witnessess or ear witnesses, or people writing from hearsay. As such they are the "Words of a Historian"

You do not have to hunt for examples of these different types of evidences in the Bible. The following quotations will make the position crystal clear:

The FIRST Type:

(a) I will raise them up a prophet . . . and I will put my words in ... and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:18)

(b) I even, I am the Lord, and beside me there is no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)

The SECOND Type:

(a) "Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani? . . ." (Matthew 27:46)

(b) "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord:" (Mark 12:29)

The THIRD Type:

"And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he, (JESUS) came, if haply he (JESUS) might find anything thereon: and when he (JESUS) came to it, (Jesus) found nothing but leaves . . ." (Mark 11:13)

The bulk of the Bible is a witnessing of this THIRD kind. These are the words of a third person.WORDS OF A HISTORIAN.

You have to keep the above three types of evidence Jealously apart, in their proper gradations of authority, and never equates them,because of that the 3rd type is of lesser trustworthiness.

That will reply to most of your quotes as they are of the 3rd type which jesus never said.

the rest of the quotes you will find my arguements with quotes from the bible all of them from the mouth of Jesus and not the historians.

By the way there are many quotes you brought which actually prove the prophethood of Jesus and not his divinity as he is refering to the real God in the heavens not to himself to be the God (he was not talking about himself as a God) .for instance : Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

and that happened after calling him God then he replied with Matthew 4:10

1 point

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

And for John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2- the verse here doesn't prove the divinity of Jesus, but it proves his creation by the word " be and it is ".

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

1 point

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

And for John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2- the verse here doesn't prove the divinity of Jesus, but it proves his creation by the word " be and it is ".

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

1 point

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

And for John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2- the verse here doesn't prove the divinity of Jesus, but it proves his creation by the word " be and it is ".

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

1 point

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

And for John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2- the verse here doesn't prove the divinity of Jesus, but it proves his creation by the word " be and it is ".

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

1 point

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

And for John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2- the verse here doesn't prove the divinity of Jesus, but it proves his creation by the word " be and it is ".

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

1 point

I am not spamming posts friends, actually if you read my posts you will find them different with different quotes from the Bible ,only I repeat my post when someome else is insisting on an idea without reading my posts, then I become obliged to answer him again below his post with suitable post, but actually you are the one who are spamming posts.

Instead of spamming posts friend defend your idea and dispute logically my posts.

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

And for John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2- the verse here doesn't prove the divinity of Jesus, but it proves his creation by the word " be and it is ".

1- the one who is speaking here is not Jesus nor the God, but it is a third person, so it is not the word of God

2-Jesus said 'And to my God and your God' [John 20-17]

3-Bring me a verse in which Jesus himself (BPUH) said I am God worship me......

*

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,

blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewhere?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is! A grave that enclosed a god!

What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,

weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.

Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be The God( one and only) above the lies of Christians

All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted

and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it

Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?

So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,

this is what the matter is all about.

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