I know the fact that liberal socialists
That's an oxymoron. Liberals are capitalists, social democrats are capitalists who want tight corporate regulation and a welfare state, and socialists are the ones who want no market economy and collective ownership of the means of production. Do you see the very clear difference between those three things? Do you see how each one is more left wing than the last and there is a big fat "social democracy" separating liberalism and socialism? Do you need a diagram or are we good? Look up the definitions if you doubt me.
You don't have the right to free things.
People who are born into wealth don't have the right to free things. People who own assets and collect money without working don't have the right to free things. I don't see why you have a problem with everyone getting free things when you seem cool with a few people getting EVERYTHING for free while there are homeless people starving in the streets.
Conservatives invented money, because a value exchange is needed for a free market. Liberals take people's hard earned money.
You are wrong on so many levels. "Conservative" means you are in favor of the status quo, which would technically make American conservatives Liberals since another word for capitalists was LIBERALS and the word "liberal" as an ideology was first used to describe Republican Capitalists. The ones who invented money were farmers and hunter/gatherers from the middle east who didn't know what the fuck capitalism or a republic even is.
"Liberals" do take people's hard earned money, both in the form of taxation and the theft that occurs when a business owner takes 90% of the value produced by the worker. I believe in the radical notion that neither of those things should happen.
I don't agree that capitalists are to blame.
That's because you're stupid. The state isn't forcing them to jack up prices on life saving medicines, it's the profit motive doing that. What in the name of fuck makes you think corporations care about anything other than money?
it is because we have a give me welfare state that drives up the cost of healthcare
You don't know what you're talking about, you are an idiotic parrot that gets your talking points from corporate shills. Without regulation these companies would jack up prices even higher and countries with more welfare rank higher on the quality of life index and have cheaper medicine.
WHAT?! They have no right or basis to pay allegience to a foreign government. That is treason.
Every time Chinaman makes a debate, it's a completely made up story that came from his very own foul little mind. Go ahead an google this, or any of his other debates, you will see it is nowhere to be found in any real news source including the corporate propaganda outlets you call "news".
No it isn't.
Yes it is. Your only proof that the bible is true is because it's the bible. That is no better than saying witchcraft is good because a witch told me so.
You need to read a book, to know what is in it
Then why don't you read some witchcraft books before you judge witchcraft? Are you a flaming hypocrite who only wants to re-affirm your own beliefs or something?
ou hate God, because you want to live in sin.
I don't hate God, I don't even believe in him.
you claim to possess an objective definition of socialism, while at the same time arguing that there are different types of socialism?
That's not contradictory in any way. What you are saying is no different from saying it's contradictory to say that blue is a specific color but there are different shades of it.
You're an idiot, mate.
The level of stupidity and intellectual dishonesty you've been displaying lately is equivalent to that of Bronto.
Socialists frequently disagree with other socialists about socialism.
That's mostly because there are different types of socialism. If one particular type says they are the only true socialists they are objectively wrong. What we call "socialism" is an economic system that objectively has to take on certain attributes to be defined as socialism. Otherwise you might as well call fascism mormonism and social democracy the big bang theory.
Nothing which was invented in the mind of a human is objective
True, but the thing we call "socialism" still has specific attributes that make it what it is. Sure, you could CALL it something different, or use it's name to refer to something else, but that would be stupid. When I say "socialism" I am talking about the actual thing which it is defined as, which objectively has the attributes which it has and not those of something different.
Socialism isn't objective so you can't have an objectively correct definition of it.
Socialism is objectively defined as a certain thing, are you telling me you wouldn't have a problem if I started calling socialism capitalism and capitalism socialism? The second it is convenient for you, you will forget you said this and go back to berating some capitalist for misrepresenting what socialism is.
I'm literally agreeing with you.
When it was convenient for you you said that I was the one who agreed with you and you didn't agree with me. Everything you say is just for convenience in the present moment. The only reason you are a socialist is because most people don't understand and/or hate socialism, making it the best ideology to be condescending with.
I have no idea what you just said.
Only people with learning disabilities would have trouble understanding that. The rest of what you said is automatically dismissed on the basis that you are just a senile goat fucker with learning disabilities.
This is not about Fiora, I don't even know what this was about
You didn't know that ICP secretly worshiped God and that most of their music is about a higher power punishing the wicked? Juggaloism is literally a religion to many juggalos. The whole "jokers card" thing was a way of gradually and subliminally implanting ideas in the mind of the listener, in an attempt to introduce certain values to minds that would not normally be open to them. Violent J came up with the joker's card anthology because he wanted to trick the sinful freaks and outcasts of society (the "wicked clowns") into coming to "the carnival" (god). It was not done nearly as well as it could have been and the purpose of it is flawed but it was still an interesting concept.
Here is a song from her to some of her followers:
What led you to the conclusion that that's what this is? How do you know it's not just some chick singing about her bf?
Capitalism is investing for profit
Capitalism is an economic system wherein the means of production are privately owned and run for profit you halfwitted ass wipe. In primitive tribes the means of production are hunted and gathered from the wilderness, there are no factories or farms etc. that are owned and run specifically to make a profit for the owner.
That they were spending pelts/goats instead of "money" changes NOTHING in their quest for PROFIT.
Profit means more than one thing. Profit in the context of capitalism means CAPITAL specifically, not "to avail from something".
America has NEVER BEEN at its best
So you don't think there was a time when it happened to be at it's best relative to other points in it's history ? Does that mean it was always the same? That can't be, because you literally just said it has been better than it is now.
O.K. I respect your opinion.
No, you still don't get it. There are no opinions when you're dealing with the Fact Machine, only Facts.
"Social democracy is a political, social and economic philosophy that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and a capitalist mixed economy." -wikipedia
"Democratic socialism is a term used to refer to the socialist political philosophy which advocates political democracy alongside a socially owned economy, with an emphasis on workers' self-management" -wikipedia
One of them is clearly capitalism with socialist elements, and the other is clearly full socialism.
States have a large roll in democracy.
Do you think states are necessary for democracy to exist? Have you considered the concept of work-place democracy?
In capitalism, it would be management of a department or branch of a company. The branch has different needs than other branches, so it has to be managed differently, but, still under the main company's policies.
Sure, that is well enough. But that is in capitalism specifically, and you just so happen to LIKE capitalism for some odd reason. Socialists tend to dislike both capitalism AND the state.
THAT is what the founders (IMO), wanted
They wanted what they saw as the closest realistic thing to a "free market".
YOUR definition of democratic socialism doesn't resemble mine.
My definition is objectively correct. A democratic SOCIALIST is a socialist, what you are is a social democrat.
I'm NOT FOR your kind!
You're not a democratic socialist is what you are saying. Nom is a democratic socialist (the real definition of it) so you are saying you don't like Nom's preferred system. I am not exactly a "democratic socialist" (I would call it technocratic anarcho-socialist or something) so when you say "my kind" you mean "my definition" which I derive from history and from the dictionary, not from one American politician who happened to call their self a socialist despite being in favor of a market economy.
Many people take a theory and look at it different ways.
That doesn't mean there isn't a wrong way to look at it. There is a difference between having a different point of view on a theory and misinterpreting what the theory even is.
we just have to take the parts that preserve what the founders wanted …. "Government of, by and FOR the PEOPLE!"
Nom hates the founding fathers. That "of, by and FOR the PEOPLE!" shit is nothing but words. What they wanted was a government, of, by, and for the wealthy (aka capitalism).
I think
Everything you have ever said debunks that idea.
Truth is, I have NO fucking idea what a "resource" is.
No shit.
You don't either
Resources are things that can be used, to put it simply.
Where I live, I can't spend "resources" at my local grocery
You go to the grocery to get resources like food in the first place you absolute fucking waste of matter. Even money is a type of resource, it is a resource used to represent the value of resources so that you can exchange it for resources.
I've asked you time and time again to explain how your "resource based economy" works on the ground
How does capitalism work? If you were intellectually honest, you would see that is not a question that can be concisely answered because there are many complicated factors to an economic system "working". You AREN'T intellectually honest though, so your answer would be something like this: "It's SIMPLE, capitalism WORKS because people have been trading for eternity". This is essentially the answer you gave before, and if you had an IQ over 0 you would know that two primitive tribes trading 30 goats for 100 wolf skins is not "capitalism".
it DOESN'T work on the ground
It's never even been attempted before and it isn't even something that can be "attempted" because it is a gradually arising thing, not something that you can just decide to implement. RBE isn't even relevant to the topic at hand though, you are literally just deflecting because you dug yourself into a hole when it comes to what we were actually debating about.
I believe I'M the one who suggested "money" is NOT the only medium of exchange
What you claimed was that trade/exchange cannot happen without money you jackass.
believe I'M the one who suggested that money COULD be a goat..
You are talking about using goats as currency aka money, in that very sentence you admitted it. You're just so fucking stupid.
But, when you talk about "money", you're talking about paper.
You don't know what I'm talking about because you can't comprehend things very well.
I, on the other hand, am talking about ACTUAL money..
What you are talking about is absolute mindless nonsense. I am talking about a symbolic value-equivalent commodity.
You claim that trade existed WITHOUT a medium of exchange.
I claimed no such thing. I merely insinuated the FACT that money hasn't always existed by claiming it was "invented" (a better term might be "contrived"). Trade can exist without a medium of exchange you absolute stupid fuck, and money is not the only type of medium of exchange. If you just trade two items directly without any form of symbolic value system or currency then you are exchanging without a medium of exchange.
"A medium of exchange is an intermediary instrument or system used to facilitate the sale, purchase or trade of goods between parties. For a system to function as a medium of exchange, it must represent a standard of value." - Investopedia
If you simply trade an item for another (as people did before money was invented/contrived and they still often do) then there is no "medium of exchange". There is just two people agreeing that what they are exchanging is worth the trade for both parties.
Look.. I can't explain money to somebody who thinks people will work for "resources"
That's literally what you're working for when you work for money you subhuman object. Would you work for money if you couldn't use it to obtain goods and services? You're literally not a person.
Uhhh, yes you are.. IF money IS a simply a medium of exchange, and it DIDN'T exist prior to 5,000 years ago, then exchanging goods and services would be IMPOSSIBLE
You are literally so stupid that I cojnsider you an object that isn't sentient. Exchange obviously existed before money, it's called trade. Damn you are stupid.
It was the dawn of reality.
That was what I thought you would say when I looked up the etymology on wikipedia.
the answer, genuinely, is that 'nothing' did.
Nothing spawned purely random virtual "somethingness units" that popped in and out of existence simultaneously and randomly in every which way and in no way at all which eventually led to a sentient simulation machine with some hot knockers spawning from it and transforming random somethingness nuggets into strings of code. That is a lot for one to wrap their mind around and sounds an awful lot like the standard model minus the hot boobs and the god they belong to.
something simulated within it and that thing happened to be a conscious entity named Fiora
So even Fiora is "simulated". You are implying heavily that "something" is as good as "nothing" in many ways, how can we experience existence as sentient beings at all if it is literally a virtual shadow of nothingness?
You are the one who came in here and attacked Alfie and I in the same post.
Yes, because you are an utter piece of shit and you are only squirting jizz all over Al because he says things you agree with a lot, even though he's actually a dipshit who only knows surface level politics and not the deeper and broader nature of things. The problem is he only debates about things like abortion, gun legislation etc. Mainline issues. If you go deeper than the boring, surface level "hot button" issues and truly discuss the big picture he is exposed as a clueless twit.
