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Good question. I think our view of sexual orientation is developed as we are brought up by our parents and society. From birth there are choices made for us on how we should be viewed, how we should dress, colors that are appropriate, etc. This is what shapes our view. But, I want to be sure that is not mistaken with what I believe our orientation is. I believe we are born with our sexual orientation.
Yes, I agree. I think that our religion also plays up a big role in the shaping of our views. In some cases I think it can even generate homophobia by promoting an ideal image of what our sexual orientation should be.
If someone simply 'lacked' an instinct to reproduce, that wouldn't result in them gaining an instinct to have sex with those they can't reproduce with. What you are describing is more along the liens of asexuality, or a situation in which a person has a low sex drive. Being sexually attracted to someone you can't reproduce with isn't really the same thing as not having an 'instinct' to reproduce.
That is true, however I didn't say the lack of instinct to reproduce always results in homosexuality. I said homosexuals probably lack the instinct to reproduce, asexuals probably do as well.
How do you explain bisexuality then? If homosexuality is a possible result of a lack of an instinct to reproduce, what about those who are attracted to both genders?
Okay let me explain it better, homosexuality can be described as an action, as can heterosexuality, however bisexuality can't be described as an action, it is always a term for something determined by someone's feelings and/or past. So a person can be bisexual, however when he or she is sexually involved with someone of the opposite sex, in that moment he or she is committing a heterosexual act. So my theory is that the sexual tension between two people of the same sex is a biological instinct. A sexual tension between two of the same is not, whether you are bi or not.
That would also explain why heterosexuals are by far the majority compared to all other sexual orientations.
1) Surrogate parenting has nothing to do with the biological instinct to reproduce.
2) Sex is biologically designed to be a natural desire in order for our species to survive, the fact that we have free will does not mean that our instincts aren't designed for our species to multiply.
Surrogate parenting is not reproducing, it is simply parenting. They are parents, but they didn't reproduce, their children do not have their DNA, and if they can't have biological children, their DNA will die with them - so their biological instinct to reproduce is not the same as wanting to parent a child.
Surrogate parenting has nothing to do with anything biological. We have a biological instinct to have intercourse with the opposite sex in order for our species to survive. To put one's sperm into a woman you are not involved with in order for a baby to come out is not biological instinct, it is the social desire to have children.
Men are designed to be, in the most charming way I can put it - horny! Their biological instinct tells them to do it with as many women as they can, and this is a result from evolution, and is the reason our species survives.
When a man does not have these instincts, then he lacks them, right? When he does not wanna go and do as many women as he can, he lacks the instinct that tells him to do that.
Now he can still want children, and he might make that happen without having sexual relations with a woman, however his instinct to reproduce is not there. Having a child can be a social desire, because if you purely look at how we are built biologically, you can't go around the fact that homosexuality defies the normal behavior, and science must conclude, that they either have something we have not, or we have something they do not. I believe that they lack the instinct to reproduce, which is VERY DIFFERENT from the social desire to have children.
You are conceding that surrogate parenting amongst homosexuals proves that they have the instinct to have children but then say they lack it. Either you are trolling or you are genuinely stupid, I'm not sure which.
In my opinion gay people who have children have a desire to have them, it was not instinct that brought them to life.
Heterosexual couples without children have the free will not to have children, however unless they are asexual, their instinct still tells them to reproduce, since they have sex. Even though we have instincts, we can fight them - like dieting, for instance.
A gay couple who have a surrogate child displayed more instinct to reproduce than the straight couple who chose to use contraception while having sex and maybe even aborted the child when they did produce one by mistake.
Desire is instinct, you are just playing with words.
Idiots? Honestly the only one I see here is you! Your logic is based on what YOU want it to be! Instinct and Desire are not the same! You are changing the definition of words! This is bloody English so speak it! (not that I agree with the "instinct theory")
You started to belittle me, which may seem cool at the moment, however to me it only shows weakness. Hopefully you'll find other debators more worthy of your time. Goodnight.
So my theory is that the sexual tension between two people of the same sex is a biological instinct. A sexual tension between two of the same is not, whether you are bi or not.
Maybe that's true, but that doesn't need to lead to the conclusion that the others aren't.
Biological and instincts are two different words with two different meanings. My theory is that reproducing is an instinct - a sexual tension can still be biological, even though it isn't instinctual.
Almost all individuals have an evolved physical instinct to reproduce (as the reason for sexual pleasure); however, because of our level of biological/anatomical awareness we can choose to manipulate the results of our instinctual actions (e.g., contraception).
Though, one requires clarification as to which type of 'instinct' you are referencing.
You can't survive as a species, your biological instinct can't make you survive. You are dying and can't stop it by any instinct. You are not a species, you are an individual who must answer to God for every moment of your time, every word you have ever spoken in secret or openly, every thought, every imagination, every thing you have ever done you must give account of to God. Prepare to meet your Maker.
I don't think that parental influence on the subject is necessarily an important feature in the formation of how we view sexual orientation. I cannot remember my parents ever offering any guidelines on the subject, but I suppose by observing my heterosexual kinfolk and my friend's parents living in a normal male/female relationship as nature intended, I probably accepted that this was the norm, which I still do. Upon reaching sexual maturity I was attracted by those of the opposite sex and regardless of what anyone may have tried to convince me to the contrary I know that I would have remained heterosexual. Those of a deviant sexual orientation have no input into their abnormal condition which is nothing more than a biological accident of birth and which occurs in many species.
Sexual orientation should not be limited. Due to sexual orientation being predestined (If that's the correct word. I am terrible at wording) I believe it is unfair for ANY religion to believe it is wrong to be homosexual, bisexual, asexual, etc. I believe it should be accepted as a natural part of society and should not be looked down upon as sick or ugly.
You just said it all in your statement...." In politics there is no such thing as right. Same with religion and beliefs. It is just a state of mind and the way one thinks."
That kind of self love thinkng will be the end of America as we know it. Under your logic, there is no right or wrong, it's just a state of mind so therefore anything goes as long as you are not hurting anyone, correct?
So tell me does it hurt tax payers and our nation when people constantly have one night hook ups, getting pregnant numerous times, living on welfare, the guy walks away from his child,? Is that ok in your "no right or wrong" philosophy on life? These people living irresponsibly will make the same ludicrous excuses as you. They will say we were born liking sex and will do so no matter what. In that self love world does the child get hurt? Does our nation get hurt with the cost of welfare?
You are the next genertion with even a lower bar of morality. You even say it is ok for men to have sex with children if they consent! DO YOU HONESTLY THINK KIDS ARE KNOWLEDGABLE AND RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS? No they are not and that is why adults protect our children from idiots who say, they are born that way so it must be ok.
In this new world of self love, everything is ok as long as the person believe's it to be ok in his mind. He was born that way, correct? There are no moral values for a society to lift up for the good of our children's future. If it feels good, do it! Like you said, we all have our own beliefs in what is right or wrong, so under your logic if a person deems his behavior is ok, society should just back away and say nothing about it, no matter how much it might hurt our society and our children.
Do you have any idea what a nation will look like with no moral values to hold to? It will be a bankrupt nation I can assure you. Does a bankrupt nation hurt anyone? Our families will be destroyed as we are already seeing. Do broken families hurt anyone?
You are a product of this new political correct nation where the only thing that people say is wrong, is when someone dares speak about morals, and right and wrong!
I just dared speak my opinions of right and wrong and what happened? I was ridiculed for it because you say my beliefs are "wrong". So is there right and wrong when I state my beliefs? Where is your tolerance for my beliefs of right and wrong? When States speak out about Gay marriage being wrong, where is your tolerance for their right's?
You say you would never vote for laws that would force you to pay for sex change operations. LOL, that's what people said about tax payers paying for abortions. People used to say they would never support gay marriage and looK at what you have been conditioned to support. Can you see the slippery slope before your very eyes? The Left is after our young people, in our schools, on the media, conditioning them to think just as you so they can usher in the next big move to a new age transformed America. A nation once founded on Judeo Christian values and now transformed to one of Political correctness where Government will tell you how to think.
Many of our laws were based on our Christian heritage. Many of our culture's moral values were a direct result from that heritage. You represent what happens to a culture when those values are being systematically separated from our public square.
With the Political correct lie of separation of church and state, people start thinking as you, saying right and wrong are in the eye of the beholder. You say our nation no longer need's a moral foundation to strive for, set by God, but rather allow Government to set those political correct moral standards.
How's man doing at setting those moral standards? You just showed us all how we are doing. You said each and every person will decide for themselves what is moral and if people want to have sex with 5o different people each year, getting pregnant over and over, running down to social services to pay for it, etc. etc. you say who has the right to say a thing against it, who can say it is wrong? In your world there is no right or wrong when it comes to these types of lifestyles no matter who it hurts.
People are now saying we no longer need to try and live up to those moral values once expoused as good for our children and our nation. Today is the sexual revolution and to hell with anyone voicing their opposition to this self love culture. That's the new message to our young people.
The message being that Christians who actully try to live by the Bible's words, and speak out on the importance of those moral values, are stupid, ignorant, hateful, judgemental, hypocritical zealots.
Who ever refuses to tow the new transformed America's political correctness are to be humiliated, called homophobes, called haters of women, haters of the poor, etc. etc.
If you want to be a pervert, you can be a pervert. If you are being a pervert, you can stop being a pervert. If you are not a pervert, don't start being one.
Don't be a pervert and stupid ideas like "sexual orientation" won't confuse you are make you wonder about perverted things.
If you want to be a Christian, you can be a Christian. If you are being a Christian, you can stop being a Christian. If you are not a Christian, don't start being one.
Don't be a Christian and stupid ideas like "praying to God" won't confuse you are make you wonder about Christian-like things.
if you want to be religious, you can be religious and call it being Christian. If you want to go to heaven, you have to be born of the Spirit of God. Only God can make that happen. Only God can make you to be His child. You don't know what you are talking about because you are a fool who believes he has the right to exist outside of Hell and God does not have the right to leave you frying forever like an eternal sausage in the fire.
You don't know what I'm talking about because you are lost. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish.
You don't know what it is to be a Christian. You only know a dictionary definition which is used by people who are not Christians as a label for something they do not understand. You have to be born of the Spirit of God to be a child of God. A real Christian is a child of God. Nobody becomes a child of God by their own choice...it's not possible. You can't make yourself into what you are not. You are a dying sinner destined for Hell and only God can change that and will if you repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you really believe on Him, He will be your life and you will have a new heart from God. You will hate sin the same as God hates sin and you will turn away from and against your own sin...but my guess is that you love your own way more than you love life, or you think your own way is life, or whatever.
You need to get saved, that's all there is to it. You are lost, dying, and on your way to Hell and need to be saved from it before it's too late and you can't be saved. I hope you figure this out for yourself.
If you want to be an atheist and actually believe that our complex DNA just randomly HAPPENED, then be an Atheist. Oh, I forget, how did that first living cell come to be?
If you want to deny biology and pretend that different sexual orienttions are normal, do so.
If you want to call a living growing unborn baby as just a blob of tissue (whose organs can be sold) then defy all humanity and vote Democrat.
If you actually think Government can better spend your own money, then be a Democrat.
If you want to blame the weapon for mass killings, rather than the person or the culture, vote Democrat.
I actually like being a Christian with the wisdom to see through all of man's so called enlightenment. You can live in your judgemental dream world bashing Christians.
If you want to be a Christian and actually believe that God just randomly HAPPENED, then be a Christian. Oh, I forget, how did that god come to be?
If you want to deny biology and pretend that different sexual orientations are unnatural, do so.
If you want to deem a living, working, conscious adult the same degree of value to society as just a blob of tissue then defy all humanity and vote Republican.
If you actually think the greedy, rich can better create a safety net for the poor, then be a Republican.
If you want to blame the person for mass killings, rather than the bullying they received or lack of publicly funded awareness and treatment regarding mental healthcare for their psychological issues, vote Republican.
I actually like being a Left-leaning centrist with the wisdom to see through all of rich men's and women's so called entitlement. You can live in your judgemental dream world bashing people with functioning brains.
I live in the world of humanity where a people do not mass kill millions of their Babies because they deem them to be burdens on society. Your so called Left-leaning centrist position has the compassion of a Hitler.
The GOP voters do not think the rich can provide a safety net for people. That would be what we once called a FAMILY.... NOT GOVERNMENT who supports and cares for their own. How about addressing why we have all the broken families instead of always expecting the tax payers to keep spendng more and more on broken familes.
It amazes me how Democrats can NEVER try and get to the core reasons why are families are broken and our welfare roles are swollen. It absolutely has nothing to do with the Rich, but rather to do with irresponsible lifestyles creating the poverty.
Try addressing that just once in your left leaning life. Oh wait, that would involve a discussion on morals. A dirty word to people on the Left.
I live in the world of humanity where a people do not mass kill millions of their Babies because they deem them to be burdens on society. Your so called Left-leaning centrist position has the compassion of a Hitler.
The GOP voters do not think the rich can provide a safety net for people. That would be what we once called a FAMILY.... NOT GOVERNMENT who supports and cares for their own. How about addressing why we have all the broken families instead of always expecting the tax payers to keep spendng more and more on broken familes.
It amazes me how Democrats can NEVER try and get to the core reasons why are families are broken and our welfare roles are swollen. It absolutely has nothing to do with the Rich, but rather to do with irresponsible lifestyles creating the poverty.
Try addressing that just once in your left leaning life. Oh wait, that would involve a discussion on morals. A dirty word to people on the Left.
What compassion do you show a mother who got drugged up and fucked without the ability to consent either way and has no access to ways to get off the drugs thanks to no welfare for rehab. he is now pregnant wiht baby that she's addicted to drugs while birthing... Good luck to that baby.
You just did what all Liberals do to support welfare for all. You bring up some one in a million hypothetical horror story and in doing so ignore the vast vast vast millions of women who gladly spread their legs to dead beat men who in no way would ever take care of their child.
If a woman was raped and drugged against her will, I would have her first in line at the welfare office.
When you resort to that lunacy, it is time to give up and debate some low end voter who you can deceive.
That's a stupid poem....I would not be surprised if you wrote it or paid somebody to get it..... dumb stuff. Why people think poetry makes stupidity pretty is a mystery except for the fact that fools love sin more than life, hate God, and love death.
As I have always stated, I believe in treating every human being with respect and caring. This does not mean we just blindly sanction every orientation as being a normal thing.
For those who think we are all born with our sexual orientation, what do you say about pedophiles who also say they are born liking children? I would think most of us would say that pedophilia is totally wrong even if the children were consenting. So where does that take the argument about being born a certain way? Obviously being born a certain way does not always make it normal or right.
I believe that in this political correct madness of today, people fear even stating the obvious of what is normal and what is not for fear of being called homophobic, etc. Doctors used to believe that certain sexual orientations were disorders but when the PC police started judging any doctor who dared exprsss his beliefs, he was attacked and ridiculed and run out of busness if possible.
We all took biology and I wonder how long before the Political correct extremists start changing our biology books, if they have not already.
I believe our view of sexual orientation today is generated by our media and by the PC thought police. I think peer pressure and the media even supercedes what parents tech their children. Our thoughts are bombrded by political correctness non stop on TV, Hollywood and every other media outlet. Just 10 short years ago, the vast mjority of Americans were totally against Gay marriage. Even Obama and Hillary were against it!
Look what a PC Liberal media can do to a culture in such a short time. Now every single state in our union has been forced to change their marriage laws. Now we have our public schools changing how they do things for transgender kids! Can you imagine we are now shaping our school's procedures on the say so of some child that says he is not the sex he was born to. These are KIDS! They have not even grown old enough to even know who or what they are. This PC madness is very very scary.
How far will America fall down this slippery slope? We can no longer even say a boy is a boy. Soon the tax payers will be paying for a child's sex change operation! You laugh? They were laughing a few years ago.
I repeat before the PC thought police attack me for my beliefs, I love every single person the same no matter who he is, but that does not mean I support changing all our laws to sanction some person or group's agendas.
The people once had a say in our states and expressed their beliefs with a vote, and were not forced to change their laws on the say so of some judge. Our constitution never intended for the people's beliefs to be silenced by one judge.
As I have always stated, I believe in treating every human being with respect and caring.
Do you need me to once again post some of the insults you have said to human beings on this site?
This does not mean we just blindly sanction every orientation as being a normal thing.
Absolutely correct.
For those who think we are all born with our sexual orientation, what do you say about pedophiles who also say they are born liking children?
I say that there is nothing wrong with a person being born with those desires, as long as they don't act on them. If they act on them, even if the child thinks they are consenting, it is of course not ok. How does this relate to sexuality?
Obviously being born a certain way does not always make it normal or right.
Obviously.
Doctors used to believe that certain sexual orientations were disorders
And then they thought about it, learned more, and realized that there is nothing unnatural or inherently hurtful about homosexuality.
We all took biology and I wonder how long before the Political correct extremists start changing our biology books, if they have not already.
How does biology relate?
You've established that nothing is inherently right or wrong here, and we need to therefor examine things more closely. So why do you think that homosexuality is wrong, based on your analysis?
The people once had a say in our states and expressed their beliefs with a vote, and were not forced to change their laws on the say so of some judge. Our constitution never intended for the people's beliefs to be silenced by one judge.
Over 60% of the country is currently in support of gay marriage, just an FYI.
1. Then why do you ban everyone who disagrees with you and calling them idiots? That's not being respectful at all.
2. Yes that is not what it means but you should see it as a normal thing. Sexual orientation is a birth thing (Which is why even though I was raised Christian and never thought about men in such a way I am still sexually attracted to men, which is why I consider myself Bisexual. Even though I lean more toward women because to me they are more beautiful to look at.)
3. If pedophiles are born liking children then that is way different. Stealing a child's innocence is NOT the same as being homosexual or bisexual. If the children consented well in my opinion, fuck it let the child do what he/she/both/none wants. If he wants a taste of Herbert's Popsicle give it to him. Don't make him wait for it because wisdom does NOT come with years. Which is why I have never gotten age related restrictions.
4. In politics there is no such thing as right. Same with religion and beliefs. It is just a state of mind and the way one thinks.
5. You are still using the word extremist wrong.
6. Media is allowed to express what it wants. Simply because it's privately owned.
7. I would never vote for having to be taxed for operations like that. What should be taxed for is life saving operations. Because are you really that greedy that you won't give up a couple hundred to save a person's life
You just said it all in your statement...." In politics there is no such thing as right. Same with religion and beliefs. It is just a state of mind and the way one thinks."
That kind of self love thinkng will be the end of America as we know it. Under your logic, there is no right or wrong, it's just a state of mind so therefore anything goes as long as you are not hurting anyone, correct?
So tell me does it hurt tax payers and our nation when people constantly have one night hook ups, getting pregnant numerous times, living on welfare, the guy walks away from his child,? Is that ok in your "no right or wrong" philosophy on life? These people living irresponsibly will make the same ludicrous excuses as you. They will say we were born liking sex and will do so no matter what. In that self love world does the child get hurt? Does our nation get hurt with the cost of welfare?
You are the next genertion with even a lower bar of morality. You even say it is ok for men to have sex with children if they consent! DO YOU HONESTLY THINK KIDS ARE KNOWLEDGABLE AND RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS? No they are not and that is why adults protect our children from idiots who say, they are born that way so it must be ok.
In this new world of self love, everything is ok as long as the person believe's it to be ok in his mind. He was born that way, correct? There are no moral values for a society to lift up for the good of our children's future. If it feels good, do it! Like you said, we all have our own beliefs in what is right or wrong, so under your logic if a person deems his behavior is ok, society should just back away and say nothing about it, no matter how much it might hurt our society and our children.
Do you have any idea what a nation will look like with no moral values to hold to? It will be a bankrupt nation I can assure you. Does a bankrupt nation hurt anyone? Our families will be destroyed as we are already seeing. Do broken families hurt anyone?
You are a product of this new political correct nation where the only thing that people say is wrong, is when someone dares speak about morals, and right and wrong!
I just dared speak my opinions of right and wrong and what happened? I was ridiculed for it because you say my beliefs are "wrong". So is there right and wrong when I state my beliefs? Where is your tolerance for my beliefs of right and wrong? When States speak out about Gay marriage being wrong, where is your tolerance for their right's?
You say you would never vote for laws that would force you to pay for sex change operations. LOL, that's what people said about tax payers paying for abortions. People used to say they would never support gay marriage and looK at what you have been conditioned to support. Can you see the slippery slope before your very eyes? The Left is after our young people, in our schools, on the media, conditioning them to think just as you so they can usher in the next big move to a new age transformed America. A nation once founded on Judeo Christian values and now transformed to one of Political correctness where Government will tell you how to think.
You just said it all in your statement...." In politics there is no such thing as right. Same with religion and beliefs. It is just a state of mind and the way one thinks."
I very well did and stick to that belief because if it wasn't that way there wouldn't be so many liberals! Or vise versa!
That kind of self love thinkng will be the end of America as we know it. Under your logic, there is no right or wrong, it's just a state of mind so therefore anything goes as long as you are not hurting anyone, correct?
I said that political and religious issues have no right and wrong. Murder is murder, robbery is robbery, rape is rape, it's all wrong. Never once in my statement did I say that there is no right and wrong I just said there is no right in wrong in religion and politics. Read my goddamn post before you rant!
So tell me does it hurt tax payers and our nation when people constantly have one night hook ups, getting pregnant numerous times, living on welfare, the guy walks away from his child,? Is that ok in your "no right or wrong" philosophy on life? These people living irresponsibly will make the same ludicrous excuses as you.
There is no wrong in that. Because what exactly is wrong? Who made up this standard of what is right and wrong? Well since there may or may not be a God (let's assume that there isn't) then how would right and wrong be decided. Through Majority of course! Since the majority of America are Liberals with your belief that there is a right and wrong in politics then your on the wrong side. In religion I believe there is no right and wrong because one can never truly know if their god(s) exist.
They will say we were born liking sex and will do so no matter what. In that self love world does the child get hurt? Does our nation get hurt with the cost of welfare?
Everyone is born with a crave for sex that is later triggered during puberty (I thought you went through it). Some people have very high sex drives and when that comes about, I think it is cruel to tell someone they have to wait until they are 18 so the can stick the Popsicle into a lady's (or a man's) holes. After all most really hit there sex drive when they are 13, five years of tempting and sex drives that just get harder and harder to ignore.
You are the next genertion with even a lower bar of morality. You even say it is ok for men to have sex with children if they consent!
Women can have (and have had) sex with children too!
DO YOU HONESTLY THINK KIDS ARE KNOWLEDGABLE AND RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS?
Yes, as I said before and will repeat. Wisdom doesn't come with age. But instead with experience.
No they are not and that is why adults protect our children from idiots who say, they are born that way so it must be ok.
Please clear this up, are you referring to pedophiles or gays?
In this new world of self love, everything is ok as long as the person believe's it to be ok in his mind. He was born that way, correct?
I never said his/her I said the majority. Also I said POLITICS are you really that stupid to get Politics mixed up with sex with a child?
There are no moral values for a society to lift up for the good of our children's future. If it feels good, do it! Like you said, we all have our own beliefs in what is right or wrong, so under your logic if a person deems his behavior is ok, society should just back away and say nothing about it, no matter how much it might hurt our society and our children.
I once again said in politics and religion. Not anything other then that which gets decided by the majority of the people.
Do you have any idea what a nation will look like with no moral values to hold to? It will be a bankrupt nation I can assure you. Does a bankrupt nation hurt anyone? Our families will be destroyed as we are already seeing. Do broken families hurt anyone?
You are a product of this new political correct nation where the only thing that people say is wrong, is when someone dares speak about morals, and right and wrong!
You know FromWithin, it is very hard to take you seriously because your twisting my words. The very thing you hate "liberals" for doing to the constitution.
I just dared speak my opinions of right and wrong and what happened? I was ridiculed for it because you say my beliefs are "wrong". So is there right and wrong when I state my beliefs?
How the hell is debating, ridiculing? How the fuck do you get them mixed? In your logic your ridiculing me! The very thing you just argued me over!
Where is your tolerance for my beliefs of right and wrong? When States speak out about Gay marriage being wrong, where is your tolerance for their right's?
An ant can carry 50x it's own weight...
You say you would never vote for laws that would force you to pay for sex change operations. LOL, that's what people said about tax payers paying for abortions.
Because once Obama took presidency the beliefs of liberalism and conservatism changed. I thought you were alive to experience that change?
People used to say they would never support gay marriage and looK at what you have been conditioned to support. Can you see the slippery slope before your very eyes?
You are repeating yourself...
The Left is after our young people, in our schools, on the media, conditioning them to think just as you so they can usher in the next big move to a new age transformed America. A nation once founded on Judeo Christian values and now transformed to one of Political correctness where Government will tell you how to think.
WAKE UP!
I feel so sorry for our children's futures.
Actually this nation was founded for freedom from the British. I hate when you people say it was found on Christian beliefs. Now that doesn't mean George Washington or Abraham Lincoln were not Christians. But overall this nation was founded out of the needed freedom from the tyrant king of Great Britain.
Many of our laws were based on our Christian heritage. Many of our culture's moral values were a direct result from that heritage. You represent what happens to a culture when those values are being systematically separated from our public square.
With the Political correct lie of separation of church and state, people start thinking as you, saying right and wrong are in the eye of the beholder. You say our nation no longer need's a moral foundation to strive for, set by God, but rather allow Government to set those political correct moral standards.
How's man doing at setting those moral standards? You just showed us all how we are doing. You said each and every person will decide for themselves what is moral and if people want to have sex with 5o different people each year, getting pregnant over and over, running down to social services to pay for it, etc. etc. you say who has the right to say a thing against it, who can say it is wrong? In your world there is no right or wrong when it comes to these types of lifestyles no matter who it hurts.
People are now saying we no longer need to try and live up to those moral values once expoused as good for our children and our nation. Today is the sexual revolution and to hell with anyone voicing their opposition to this self love culture. That's the new message to our young people.
The message being that Christians who actully try to live by the Bible's words, and speak out on the importance of those moral values, are stupid, ignorant, hateful, judgemental, hypocritical zealots.
Who ever refuses to tow the new transformed America's political correctness are to be humiliated, called homophobes, called haters of women, haters of the poor, etc. etc.
1. Just because our laws have similarity to that of Christian faith doesn't mean we were based as a country.
2. And you represent what happens when someone doesn't go to school!
3. I thought you wanted separation of church and state? State doesn't touch the church (besides with taxes) and the church doesn't influence our government. Because I would hate for our government to say that Christianity is false and Atheism is the way to go, or vise versa. The government shouldn't be based ever off of religion.
4. I said if right and wrong is based of of what the majority decides. Read my fucking post before you rant.
5. Yes but what about the people who are broke as fuck and can't afford to live. A working father who works at a safety lawless factory with minimum wage ($7.5 dollars an hour) because there is nowhere else to work at due to him living in the middle of nowhere. His wife is pregnant and he has a thirteen year old son who can't ever get a real job due to their lack of money to geta college degree! What about those people! Would you withhold your money to keep those people from obtaining it so they can live normal lives? Would you let them die of starvation (which yes, it does happen in America) or have their father be brutally injured by his job and be forced to never work again due to his disability. And his wife be pregnant and unable to work? Just a couple hundred dollars (yes I get that's a lot) to save their lives? What the fuck is wrong with you if you wouldn't give them a few hundred dollars to keep them healthy and alive. And to allow the mother to give birth and the thirteen year old son to live a normal life and fill out his dream to become a doctor and get a college degree, I would damn well pay a few hundred to even a few thousand to save their lives!
Oh yes and Muslims are instantly thought of as Hateful, Terrorists that just want to kill all of the Christians. Just look at the movie God's Not Dead that was recently done by Christians and portrayed the father as an abusive man simply because he was Muslim!
LOL, you sound just like a socialist! You sit there telling me how I must pay for someone else kids to go to college when I pay for my own kids going to College? GET REAL!
COLLEGE IS NO ONE'S RIGHT AND MUST BE EARNED OR YOU DON'T GO!
I worked all of my life making modest income in a factory, that today would entitle me to hand outs from tax payers. I have some shame and pride & would NEVER expect another man to pay for my children when I will do so myself. How do i support my children?
I did not screw around getting women pregnant. I did not take drugs, I did not drop out of school, I got a job in a factory and did not spend more than I made. I saved my money rather than buying nice tv's, cell phones, big vactions, brand new cars, diners out, etc.etc.
I LIVED WITHN MY MEANS!
Screw your socialist rants how I must pay for other irresponsible people who refuse to live within their means and live responsibly. Tell me how you know which families worked hard and lived responsibly when telling me i must pay to support them?
The hard working responsible people most times will find a better job to pay the bills. Your description of a hard working responsible parent only making minimum wage is laughable! Most hard working americans can find a higher paying job in construction, factory jobs, welding, plumbing, electrical, you name it.
Spare me your crap about all these people who work hard but just can't make it. If you live in an area with no jobs, MOVE!
Americans once had pride and would never ask for a handout.
1. That's very funny you say that. You'd get free college too... Think things through a bit before you rant.
2. And have the son waste away in a fast food restruant for the rest of his life?
3. How could he support his two children and one wife who were all unable to work?
4. And so did they! There are many people within the circumstances that laid out who haven't done anything you listed!
I know quite a few!
5. How were they irresponsible?
6. Does it honestly matter if they are or are not? A mistake is a mistake! You only have one life! Give everyone a second, third, fourth, fifth, chance... Also there are way more people within the circumstances I showed you than there are that are living irresponsibly.
7. He lived in the middle of nowhere where there was no other work so the owner of the factory knew he could get away with dropping them at minimal wage (Which happened to my Uncle)
8. You can't just move, moving costs TONS of money... First you need the money to ship all your stuff, second you need the money to travel be it by car or plane they both can be quite expensive, third you need the money for your new house (which we all know ranges from $100K+). Tons of people don't have money to just move.
9. I am beginning to think your actually somewhere around the age of ten due to your lack of ability to think things through.
10. Look to Africa! A very capitalist conservative continent. Do you see they're wealth and splendor? Do you see them moving up in the charts from bringing unsafe water a kilometer or two or more just to have water to drink? Do you see them moving up by slaving for the upperclass?
11. Then look to Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark)! A socialist democratic group of nations. They are known for their wealth and splendor! Poverty is almost unheard of in Scandinavia!
I'm not beginning to think your age is 10. I know your age is a teen and I know you still lack the ability to think things through, but it is not your fault as much as the Liberal media indoctrinating you to believe millions of people need the support of tax payers through no fault of their own.
Guess what , I have an extended family of over one hundred people. They have all been raised with a work ethic, with moral values, and a pride in not asking for handouts from others. The vast vast majority do not live off any social programs. Somehow they have all been able to find jobs that pay enough to raise their families. And many did so with no College! GO FIGURE!
Very very few of them got pregnant before marriage and the few that did loved the father, were married and have been together ever since. None of them are living together without marriage.... go figure. How are these things possible? It's very simple.... they lived within their means and were raised with moral values.
Don't swallow this welfre mentality spewed by the Left. Poverty is created by personal choices the majority of the time.
I'm not beginning to think your age is 10. I know your age is a teen and I know you still lack the ability to think things through, but it is not your fault as much as the Liberal media indoctrinating you to believe millions of people need the support of tax payers through no fault of their own.
I wasn't saying you think I am I was saying you sound like your ten because you lack the ability to think things through. Just like I lack the ability to copy and paste someone's arguement sometimes.
Guess what , I have an extended family of over one hundred people. They have all been raised with a work ethic, with moral values, and a pride in not asking for handouts from others.
Good for you and your family. But people still need handouts some times and in a lot of cases. You were set on better circumstances as a child obviously and I can very much see why someone who set on better circumstances would choose to be a Capitalist. But not all people get raised in higher income families and those people (people like me who can't ever get a college degree because I could never afford it in my life even if I tried. Which I still will just to keep my future family from starving) need handouts. Whether it be free healthcare (for certain things, I believe that if an abortion is to be paid by the government and its taxpayers then the woman would have had to had conceived that child through rape. I also believe that sex changes should not be taken through free healthcare), free college, a low uneployement welfare, a high disability welfare, etc.
The vast vast majority do not live off any social programs. Somehow they have all been able to find jobs that pay enough to raise their families. And many did so with no College! GO FIGURE!
I also have a family of over one hundred people. We were all raised in very Christian, Conservative, and Capitalist (CCC? Wait does that have relation with the KKK? illuminati music in the backround) but yet we still all need welfare because we were raised in very poor families. My grandfather severely injured himself a few years ago and was fired later for it. Now he is unemployed and pastors a church. He can hardly do so and is going through deep depression due to their poverty.
Very very few of them got pregnant before marriage and the few that did loved the father, were married and have been together ever since. None of them are living together without marriage....
Well accomplished, I support no sex before marriage.
go figure. How are these things possible? It's very simple.... they lived within their means and were raised with moral values.
Don't swallow this welfre mentality spewed by the Left. Poverty is created by personal choices the majority of the time.
Actually it's not the majority of the time... Maybe somewhere around 50/50. For example my current state (However compared to most others in the world we are very wealthy).
