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Is St. Patrick's Day Racist?

It should be know, I am only referring to how it is celebrated here in the United States, where we seem to think it is an excuse to drink excessive amounts, living up to the (incorrect) stereotype that the Irish are all drunks.  So do you think that the way Americans celebrate this holiday is racist?

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Side Score: 10
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Side Score: 11
2 points

Insofar that Americans do seem to prejudge the Irish as heavy drinking, rather dim witted individuals, ( in my case they're probably correct ) yes the theme of the St, Patrick's day celebrations does lean towards a form of prejudiced racism. I've had light heart-ed, Irishism' remarks directed towards me in many American states, but for some reason, particularly in southern California, the Double Tree Hotel in San Diego, to be precise. When challenged in an 'eyeball to eyeball face off' the comedians always withdraw their not so, funny comments and apologise for the racial slur. It must be said that a lot of Irish men and woman contribute towards the acceptance of their,( perhaps not wholly undeserved ) stereotype image by permitting the taunting Irish gibes to go unchallenged. That's my opinion at any rate. ''Hic'', s'use me, ''hic''.

Side: Yes
1 point

well i don't know but the english did use to refer to the irish as white nrs, there was the whole problem of englishmen owning land in ireland and forcing the irish to work it, living in shacks and squalor, and they pretty much starved the irish. a modest proposal was a pretty good satirical book on this issue

Side: Yes
1 point

The Irish can only be described as a race in a social context, as essentially there are only five recognised separate races, and whilst they may seem like it sometimes, the Irish cannot be described as a race apart. During the days of the European Empires the British, in common with their continental neighbours, undoubtedly did treat the people of their occupied countries unfairly, nor did they promote the advancement of the national culture of the conquered nations. However, they did introduce the basis for executive administration, a judicial system of justice and an infrastructure system which was light years ahead of what had existed before their presence. The British established form of administration and judicial procedures still form the basis of government in Ireland today. Most buildings of note and examples of fine architectural design were erected by the British. I'm convinced that in 1000 years time the Irish will still be chattering on about the awful British. The Jews have come to terms with the Holocaust, the Yanks have gotten over the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl harbour and the 70 million deaths caused by the Germans and their allies in WW2. Not so the Irish. They enjoy wallowing in their self pity and try very hard to maintain their irrational and psychopathic hatred for the British. In my opinion such is the psyche' of the small minded, backward looking Irish. Oh by the way, I'm Irish and have been describing my countrymen and women.

Side: Yes

Irish isn't a race sooooooo no its not "racist"

Side: No
1 point

Irish most certainly is a race, as is Scottish, English, French, German, etc.

Not sure what you were getting at.

Edit: Unless you go by a definition of race that prevents much of any "race" from existing, however, which I understand some people adhere to.

Side: Yes
1 point

Nope, just like American isn't a race neither is Irish. Its a nationality.

Side: No

I think it could be, though I believe most people who are Irish are okay with the stereotype as it provides excellent marketing opportunities as well as a sense of easily identifiable cultural identity. To clarify my last point, let's use a Canadian example (as I am most familiar with them):

Stereotype: All Canadians live in igloos, use dog-sled teams as transportation, and worship the beaver.

General response I hear from my Canadian pals: "Hell yea! We're Canadian!"

Like, the stereotype seems to be used as almost like a proud label to distinguish one from the regular masses. I don't know, what do you think?

Side: No
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

That is definitely an interesting idea, though my (very limited) personal experience hasn't born it out. In my (again, extremely limited) experience, many Irish individuals find the characterization of their people as drunks to be offensive and is, statistically speaking, quite inaccurate. Of course it does provide for some great market opportunities as you said.

Side: Yes
1 point

No, on Christmas day people take advantage of it by giving presents, and sometimes the holiday doesn't even support their religion. However, Christians do not think of this as religious bigotry.

Side: No
1 point

I do not understand the comparison. Christmas being about giving gifts does not endorse any sort of stereotype of any group, where as St. Patrick's Day, as it is celebrate in this country, is all about participating in a racial stereotype.

Side: Yes
1 point

We all belong to the Human Race, there are different peoples but there is only one race, so racism as such does not exist. The only rational here is that discrimination exists not racism. We discriminate against colour, creed, religion, language, culture, traditions etc etc.

To discriminate against St Patricks day is to question the validity of Ireland's patron saint and perpetuate the angst between the orange and the green

Side: No
1 point

Please re-read the description of the topic, which is whether or not the way Americans celebrate St. Patrick's Day is racist, in the form of embodying commonly held negative racial stereotypes.

Side: Yes
DKCairns(868) Disputed
2 points

I have to generalise because I am Australian not American so I added my point of view for interest sake and to provide information relevant to racism and St Patrick.

Side: No