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Yeah, I do believe god exists and is every single god or gods that have ever been believed by a person, they just call it a different name, or do different traditions and rituals. Either way you look at it, people have been and will continue to believe in god, or gods, yet we're all striving to understand the same thing, the same god.
I believe all religions are true or at least partially true(I don't mean stuff like don't tell lies and stuff that's already universal) They all were sent through prophets of God or messengers ( they had many prophets who came after Moses without changing the Jewish faith cause of no need.) I'd like to believe that all life ,including even dead matter will go to heaven and be re-incarnated till they do so. Try merging beliefs of all Abrahamic , Dharmic and pagan religions, then you ought to reach the truth( make sure to take monotheism as a dogma then try to fit in other stuff like if a certain 'god' ain't The God then he must be a subordinate like an angel or something above or below that rank. also try merging some ideas like reincarnation and heaven or that heaven is static and in 1-D (Buddhism) while the earth(including this universe) is 4D and will eventually die or that souls exist but in different strengths or parts or that were shards of one collective being punished to the material world( Maya :Hinduism) due to atheistic beliefs etc.)
it would be cool if we all had a greater purpose awaiting us after "moksha"(Buddhism) rather than just procreation and death till we all die when the world ends(again talking about our membrane[ quantum physics term])
Would it be cool if we could harness our souled like Vulcans(ref. Star Trek)
How did god get here? Who gave birth to it? Did it just pull itself into existence? That's silly. It sounds nice, but how is that possible in reality? It just doesn't make sense.
We know the big bang happened and evolution happened. It's clear that the universe is simply a natural process and mankind's intelligence is the result of evolution. We invented all gods.
When I was saying about God I was saying based on Theism. So the answers should be based on what would happen IF God existed. The debate was not at all about Atheism.
There is no reason to think a god exists, except for what people tell you.
If you've been camping, or anyplace far from civilization, you will never even think of a god unless another person says it first.
Gods are not natural. There's no reason to think that they exist as long as you are sane. Lightning has a known cause, tornadoes, earthquakes, tides, the sun, they are all natural. Unless you are on drugs or insane, you will never see a god speak, just as it is in real life.
My point is valid because there is no "if". Gods simply do not exist in reality. Only in people's imagination.
In a debate of hypothetical and assumptions, it is important to state that these things aren't actually real. Otherwise we would see gods and angels interacting with real life, rather than these subtle, chancy and random effects, as if they were not there at all.
Even Einstein believed in someone known as the creator . When Einstein was aging and was on the verge of dying, he was about to reveal the Universe, even more than Relativity. Einstein, during that time believed that 'God is present, but he is looking for someone to find him'. Scientific community criticized Einstein for this belief, and he died without completing his work. His definition of God was to come in the form of equation of music. He believed that the entire Universe was just a big symphony. Charles Darwin also believed in the 'great architect who created the designs of nature'.
That's great, but even if it was true, I don't see how it means anything. Einstein was wise, as was Darwin, but that doesn't mean what they believe is true in every aspect.
However, there is still a large problem in what you are saying.
"He believed in the god of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, and criticized positive atheism, preferring he said "an attitude of humility." '
"I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections. It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned as a liberation, and I soon noticed that many a man whom I had learned to esteem and to admire had found inner freedom and security in its pursuit. The mental grasp of this extra-personal world within the frame of our capabilities presented itself to my mind, half consciously, half unconsciously, as a supreme goal. Similarly motivated men of the present and of the past, as well as the insights they had achieved, were the friends who could not be lost. The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it"
So there, he seems like me, for I also once became quite religious, then saw it for myth and falsehoods and decided to get more into science.
"Einstein used many labels to describe his religious views, including "agnostic"[3] "religious nonbeliever"[4] and a believer in "Spinoza's God."'
Spinoza's God is simply the view that if there is a god, it is the entire universe itself, which completely contradicts what you are saying as a "Creator". He did not believe in a creator. He only believed in the universe itself. That is not a god the way you are stating it. It goes along exactly with what I said.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own—a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."
So no, it did not appear that he believed in any sort of god outside the universe itself, which CANNOT be a creator, for it is the universe. According to Einstein, there are no magical deities outside the universe.
As for Darwin, "from around 1849 would go for a walk on Sundays while his family attended church.[14] Though reticent about his religious views, in 1879 he responded that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a god, and that generally "an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind."
So no, although he did not directly say a god did not exist, there is no way you can say he did believe in one.
But again, what is your point? These are simply famous smart people. What about Charles Dawkins and his "The Selfish Gene" book which introduced completely new ideas about evolution to the public? And please do not forget how religious people love to indoctrinate others.
You've seen how certain people here act, right? "I'm right no matter what evidence says" and stuff like that?
The very fact there are so many religions, all different, and all with the same amount of certainty is a bit disturbing. Now you could say "God created man and man created all the religions", but then is that your religious belief?
You can't prove it because there's no evidence for any of it. It's nothing more than a baseless claim trying to inject your own religion into people's minds based on hypotheticals, and no real evidence.
The formation of a single cell roughly 3.6 billion years ago gave rise to all the life we see today. Homo sapiens are the process of evolution through natural selection. As humans became increasingly curious, they attempted to understand the world around them and came up with a bunch of ridiculous ideas in the process, some of which are called religion.
It is this innate desire by humans to understand the world that gave rise to religion.
But if science is so correct, then why is it not so absolute in anything. All the theories in science become correct when they are accepted more. But with time many theories have proven useless and other theories have replaced them. So what I am saying is that 'God' is what we speak about. But it can be anything or anyone which / who created everything. That is why it / he is also known as the 'Creator'.
Yes, but before evolution, it was God who made all life. Everyone accepted that.
Same with before the big bang.
Same with before we knew what lightning was.
Same with earthquakes and tornadoes and nearly everything we didn't understand, from the sun to the moon, EVERYTHING was a god.
The more we know, the less gods we see.
What makes you think a god actually exists? Where do you see this god? Or do you only feel it or wish it was real? You believe it's real, but what you are saying doesn't convince me the slightest bit.
We use God/gods to explain what we cannot explain. This does not mean that we won't EVER be able to explain them, we just cannot explain them as of now. In the days of Aristotle, people followed his belief that things fell because they were fulfilling what they were meant to fulfill. There was also the belief that the Earth was the center of our solar system. All of these things have been proven wrong as we have explored, discovered, and gained new insight. We use God to say that "this is the reason this thing happened." But really, it is quite possible, and probable, that there is some other cause. Imagine the people in the Bible days. The people were trying to describe something they did not understand. There were earthquakes destroying cities, floods, etc. They didn't know why these things were happening. They had no way to describe this phenomena. So, they used God as the explanation. We, as of now, do not have a definite cause to the universe. There is the "Big Bang Theory," but it leaves much unanswered. Where did this speck come from? What caused the change? So, since we have no absolute facts about the beginning of the universe, or even the world, we turn to something else outside to describe it. God.
What makes feel that there is someone / something in between us is the sense of morality in me. Never I do something wrong a thought sparkles in my mind and it cautions me everytime to tell that what I am doing is morally wrong. Now an atheist would say that it happens due to religion, but I have observed that it does not requires a religion to be human and experience the spiritual energy of righteousness.
Are you talking about guilt? The opposite of guilt? Those are human emotions caused by the brain. I am sure that most people, even religious people know this.
There is no reason that there is anything "magical" or godlike about this. If you are TRYING to find a god or religion in every aspect of your life, I am sure you will find one, but that will be caused by delusion, because I am seeing and feeling many of the same things you are, except I have done research to know that feelings are caused by the brain and stimulus the brain receives and thoughts, even religious ones are often due to indoctrination, as is very popular among nearly all cultures. Simply living in a culture where religion is popular leads one to believe it is fine or normal, but what if you were an atheist? But let's remove that label. Let's pretend we had society, just as it is today, except no suicide bombers. History had no crusades, the KKK never existed, there was no religion at all. If someone started to say what you are saying, do you think that person would be considered sane? Of course, many things that are sane today were once insane or occultist, such as Newton's idea of gravity. However, this is a bit different, isn't it? Gravity can be measured. We can see gravity pulling the Earth into the Sun while moving, thus allowing years to happen. We can drop an object and it will fall in the same way, allowing satellites to orbit Earth even.
There is NOTHING that gods can do. Prayer fails. Everything related to religion has been corrupted. The very fact that there are so many religions is proof of this. Religion has very little truth in it, and any truth that can be found can be found elsewhere, through science, philosophy, art, friendship and living life. There is no need for religion in society, and no need for a god to create this universe. It is all done by people or natural process.
But if science is so correct, then why is it not so absolute in anything.
Science is never absolute. It prides itself on being open to new evidence. Some theories have so much evidence though that it is so unlikely that new evidence will be brought forth that would refute the theory. Two examples of theories that meet these conditions are the theory of Evolution and the heliocentric theory. Both theories have so much evidence behind them that to say it would be extremely unlikely for them to be proven wrong would be a understatement.
I also believe that all religious Gods are false, because Religions were created by humans. But a creator would not tell that he is Zeus, or Allah, or Yahweh, or Krishna. He would also not print long religious scriptures and the extremist laws written in it, which religious people have to follow.
A Creator just created everything .But since humans are mortal and became diverse in languages and cultures with time, they started creating religions. Competitions and Wars arise in the name of Religions. Every person would say that his or her religion is the best, and a strong believer would never accept any negativity about his / her religion.
I also don't believe in miraculous God who brings thunderstorms from the skies, or casts hurricanes and droughts. I believe that there is something / someone who just created everything. And since then that something / someone has remained sedentary in some reality. I can be possible whether or not he knows that he created everything. But it just happened.
And as Einstein said 'He is looking for someone to find for him.' - This is where science comes. Einstein was about to solve everything but he died. So I do love science, but I also believe in HIM.
And the right which makes me speaks - is the right of expressing myself. I can be wrong, but I am perfectly allowed to express my views.
Is it true that - "God created man and man created all the religions"? And Why?
Probably not. Why? I don't have evidence to conclude that a deity exists, let alone what religion it did originally create.
Can't it be possible that if God exists , He created everything , but Humans started creating Religions.
Certainly, yes, it's possible.
Is is not true that God is one person and all the religions are simply different versions of the same person?
Assuming a god doesn't exist: Wouldn't know. Historically it's hard to tell. I'd argue that many simply came to that same superstitious conclusion on their own.
Assuming a god does exist: I don't think it's possible for a deity to be all deities believed to be real and they all have different versions.
You know what we don't know is true? If Zeus is causing it.
Who made up the myth of Zeus? It was clearly a person who had no idea and wanted to invent an answer.
Same with this entire debate.
We don't know who invented all gods, or if there is a god at all, yet people are still claiming there is a god.
They seem to not realize that if they want to make a claim to an intelligent person, they need to back it up, especially concerning things on the level of the very purpose and reason for existence for all life and the universe.
