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Let the Ukrainians die. We should even the odds.
Debate Score:12
Arguments:14
Total Votes:13
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 Let the Ukrainians die. (5)
 
 We should even the odds. (4)

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Should the West supply missiles to Ukraine with which to attack targets in Russi

As Putin's murder squads have had their ass kicked by the defending forces of Ukraine the megalomaniac warlord has redirected his campaign of hate against the Ukrainian people away from the battlefield and replaced conventional warfare of army vs army with indiscriminate daily drone and missile attacks on their cities. 
According to intelligence reports this campaign against civilians will continue indefinitely.
I say that the time has come when the Ukrainians can respond ''in-kind'' and give the Ruskies a taste of their own medicine. 


Let the Ukrainians die.

Side Score: 5
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We should even the odds.

Side Score: 7
1 point

The aerial attacks on Ukrainian cities and the ensuing slaughter of civilians should be recognized as a hardship which they will have to bear without any means of retaliation.

If we, The West, provide the Ukrainian forces with long range missiles and/or drones it would upset wee Vladimir and we must avoid incurring his wrath.

Side: Let the Ukrainians die.

Should the West supply missiles to Ukraine with which to attack targets in Russia

Absolutely not. Have a look at how many conflicts/wars are going on in the world right now:-

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-currently-at-war

But the only one the west is directly involved in funding is the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Why do you suppose that is?

It wouldn't even be so bad if there was some sort of honesty from our leaders, but they insist on pushing moral reasons for the intervention which don't stand up to any type of scrutiny. The UK has just sent 300 million to Ukraine, while a huge proportion of its own workers are striking over pay and almost 300,000 people spent Christmas without a home. Frankly, I think it's disgusting that the UK has money to spend on a foreign war, but no money to house its own citizens or pay them a fair wage.

Side: Let the Ukrainians die.
2 points

Should the West supply missiles to Ukraine with which to attack targets in Russia

Hello N:

Of course we should.. And, when the hell, did the Republicans fall head over heels in love with Putin?? He's ALWAYS been a villain to me, and to you too, I'll bet.

excon

Side: We should even the odds.
Norwich(1576) Clarified
1 point

To take the argument way back to nature we will observe that the matriarch of a lion pride will study a herd of animals looking for a weakness, such as a wildebeest with a limp, before launching a coordinated attack.

In the same primitive way megalomaniac warlords, such as Hitler & Putin will identify the weaknesses of their intended targets along with any risks posed by their proposed victim's allies.

Clearly Putin studied the possibility of potential countermeasures from N.A.T.O., and decided that as America, being the mainstay of this defense organization, was led by an imbecilic powder puff he would proceed with the invasion.

Now that the myth of the infallibility of Russia's military has been quashed, and his armies kicked into touch by the Ukrainian defense forces THE FILTH has resorted to the slaughter of civilians on an industrial scale and a scorched earth policy of this sovereign nation's infrastructure.

All the while the Russian people live a relatively stress-free existence in the knowledge that the Ukrainian forces have no means of reciprocating Putin's onslaught on their neighbors.

As Putin's threats of using tactical nuclear weapons if the West supply Ukraine with long range missiles has had the desired effect the likelihood of the Russian people holding anti-war demonstrations, ( AS WE WITNESSED HERE IN AMERICA DURING THE VIETNAM WAR) is significantly reduced.

Just as the smug Krauts went carefree about their everyday activities ( until the the R.A.F., and the U.S.A.F., bombed the shit out of them) as Hitler's Luftwaffe bombed the major cities of Europe so the Russian, so called silent majority are callously indifferent to the death and destruction their leader is unleashing on the Ukrainian civilian population.

Side: Let the Ukrainians die.
2 points

America, being the mainstay of this defense organization, was led by an imbecilic powder puff he would proceed with the invasion.

Hello N:

What you said...

I might remind you, however, it's the powder puff who's been supplying Ukraine so far. And, he very well might supply them with the long range missiles they need to hit Russian cities..

Geopolitically, we CAN'T lose Ukraine. So it brings the world to the brink. Who's gonna blink?

As soon as Putin realizes that his powder puff enemy hits back hard, he'll blink.

What did Reagan do when faced with similar circumstances? He didn't lay down. Nahh.. He BLASTED ahead and destroyed the Soviet Union.

excon

Side: We should even the odds.
Norwich(1576) Clarified
1 point

@Excon;-

Yes, Putin THE FILTH is nothing more than a megalomaniac warmonger.

IT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED THAT ANY AUTONOMOUS COUNTRY HAS THE SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO BECOME A MEMBER OF AN ECONOMIC BLOC OR DEFENSE ALLIANCE WITHOUT BEING INVADED BY THE FORCES OF A BALD HEADED NARCISSISTIC DWARF WEARING ELEVATOR FOOTWEAR.

Sovereign independence allows for the elected government of such a state to act in the best interests of all its citizens without fear of invasion by brutal force.

EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE POPULATION OF UKRAINE VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY FOR INDEPENDENCE IN THE REFERENDUM OF DECEMBER 1991.

AFTER THE DISSOLUTION OF THE DEFUNCT SOVIET UNION THE UKRAINE GOVERNMENT AND 84% OF THE UKRAINIAN POPULATION DECIDED THAT THEIR ECONOMIC PROSPERITY WOULD BEST BE SERVED BY SEVERING ALL TIES WITH THE OLD SOVIET UNION AND NEGOTIATING A MEMBERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH THE E.U.

EVER SINCE THEN MOSCOW HAS BEEN PROGRESSIVELY APPLYING POLITICAL PRESSURE ON THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO REALIGN ITS COUNTRY WITH RUSSIA.

THIS POLITICAL PRESSURE WAS ESCALATED BY RUSSIA INTO BLATANT AND BLOODY AGGRESSION THE RESULT OF WHICH WE CAN SEE TODAY.

DON'T FALL FOR THE FICTITIOUS NARRATIVE OF LEFTIST PROPAGANDISTS WHO ARE TRYING TO REWRITE HISTORY AND JUSTIFY THE SUBJUGATION OF AN AUTONOMOUS NATION .

WHERE ARE THE ANTI-RUSSIAN DEMONSTRATIONS AND BURNING OF THE RUSSIAN FLAG ON THE WEST'S STREETS AND UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES?

Side: Let the Ukrainians die.
Another-Alt(237) Clarified
1 point

Yes, Putin THE FILTH is nothing more than a megalomaniac warmonger.

You're consuming too much American propaganda.

IT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED THAT ANY AUTONOMOUS COUNTRY HAS THE SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO BECOME A MEMBER OF AN ECONOMIC BLOC OR DEFENSE ALLIANCE

The Ukraine has not been autonomous since 2014, when the previous pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown by a western-backed far right coup. At least take the trouble of learning the history of the region instead of spitting out ridiculous propaganda soundbites. The 2014 coup led to open civil war in the Eastern parts of Ukraine. Contrary to the bullshit you are being spoon fed, the present Ukraine leadership was very much put there by the west, precisely because of its anti-Russian political ideology. I would expect most intelligent people to be aware of this old and tired tactic by now after what happened in Southern Vietnam.

Side: Let the Ukrainians die.
LordSauron(332) Disputed
1 point

And, when the hell, did the Republicans fall head over heels in love with Putin??

Strawman. No one loves Putin. If I don't want to fight someone or risk my own peoples' lives, it doesn't mean I like them you dishonest piece of dog shit. Stop pushing us into war to fund the billionaire owned war machine you God damned war mongering lemming. If the machine says jump, you instantly ask how high. Jesus fucking Christ. Have you ever once had an independent thought that wasn't fed to you by a billionaire or a media that is owned by them? My fucking god.

Side: Let the Ukrainians die.
1 point

As it's clear that China gave Putin THE GREEN LIGHT to proceed with his invasion of Ukraine and is providing THE FILTH with financial support which enables him to decimate Ukrainia's infrastructure and slaughter the civilian population we must be prepared to confront this alliance of communist aggressors by providing the besieged nation with all the tools it needs to take the war to the aggressors.,

Side: We should even the odds.