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Was HIV created?

Was the AID's virus or HIV created? I've hear someone claim that it was created by "the government" to "kill off minorities", I thought it was rediculous, but then I found out that cats were found to have their own form of HIV or AID's in the 80's, seeing as cats are considered varmint these days and their large populations have become a problem, does anyone thing that it may have been introduced? I know this isn't exactly logical reasoning, it is just a question, I look forward to any opinions or comments :)

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Side Score: 9

Nothing comes out of nowhere, nothing is magically appears, it wasn't created by man, but created by nature.

Side: Yes
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Thanks for the level headed response, I'm glad to see that you haven't left us :)

Side: Yes
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
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I absolutely agree with your point, but I wouldn't use the word "created". I feel 'created' implies some sort of intent, like it was the intentional act of some other person or thing. Causality versus creation is what I'm after.

Side: No
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Yep god created it.

Side: Yes
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A better word than "created" is "manipulated". Scientists have never created anything alive, but use things that are already living. Have NWO supporters encouraged, manipulated, and released HIV to the public? You bet.

A friend of mine who is a retired nurse read an article years ago to that effect, in one of her professional journals.

The WHO is NOT your friend, and, just as the gov has guinea-pigged the citizenry of this country from the 40s thru the 60s with radiation testing, so that thousands of people in Utah, Nevada and points west have died from all kinds of cancers, so they have guinea-pigged the citizenry of other countries, other "useless eaters", with diseases they hoped would kill them off quick. They deliberately gave HIV to thousands of people in Africa under the guise of "vaccinations" in the 80's and 90's. In the case of HIV, it's taking too long to kill people. While they may be still doing this, they are moving on to bigger and better methods of extermination now.

The goal of the "new world order" is to "cull the population of the world," according to Robert McNamara and others. Research it and you will see.

Side: Yes
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

Yeah and protein folding was done done on calculators? :D

... I love these idiots :D

Side: No
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If HIV was not created then how on earth did it get here? It was created by nature, or perhaps man. This, of course, cannot be confirmed.

Side: Yes
1 point

Holy shit. Some people shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

It has been known for a long time that certain viruses can pass between species. Indeed, the very fact that chimpanzees obtained SIV from two other species of primate shows just how easily this crossover can occur. As animals ourselves, we are just as susceptible. When a viral transfer between animals and humans takes place, it is known as zoonosis. -http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm

I like the hunter theory.

Anyway, some critical thinking here. Patient Zero was a white male from the U.S.-- hardly a smart target if the goal is to kill minorities. You'd think a crazy impossible government plot to kill minorities which would require so much planning and brain power would, I don't know, infect a minority first.

And what do you mean cats are considered vermin? Cats are mostly considered household pets and their popularity originated from their ability to hunt vermin that carried disease.

Your entire paragraph doesn't make sense.

Side: No
Pharmacy(213) Disputed
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Well, excuse me, I did say it was just a question without any logical reasoning behind it. Thanks for the information, though, I didn't not know about any of that.

Side: Yes
Pharmacy(213) Disputed
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I like cats, I own one, but many people consider them a big problem. Maybe "varmint" is the right word, but people do want them gone and consider them a problem.

Side: Yes
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I don't know anything about the subject, so this is a direct and legitimate question. Without the dumb cat thing and minority thing, do you have reason to believe that AIDs or HIV was created and not a virus that emerged naturally?

Side: No
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And I have one more question (forgive my ignorance on the subject), I heard once that it might have come from people having sex with primates... Like monkeys and apes, is there any truth to this? I promise I am not trying to piss you off David, lol it is a serious question.

Side: No
iamdavidh(4856) Clarified
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Um, the hunter theory goes that a group of different kinds of primates, monkeys, lived on whichever island (I forget but you can follow the link).

Different stands of SIV, common in monkeys, were "combined".

When warring primates defeat an enemy they do really really weird shit, some of them do. They eat their vanquished foe, they practically bathe in the blood. They do this when they are still alive often. This is why cross-species diseases are very common in primates who live by other primates, all of that blood transfusion.

So for generations the quiet people of this island hunted these monkeys. Meanwhile at some point the strands of SIV had combined to form HIV. Probably decades and decades earlier. Maybe hundreds of years.

It was a matter of time. All you need is a cut, not uncommon while hunting, and bleeding monkey with the disease. It's really hard to get HIV from an open wound, but do it enough eventually one of the little viruses will get lucky and survive in the bleeding human.

It's thought HIV was mostly quarantined to this small island for a very very long time. But eventually tourists come. Eventually a tourist, has sex with one of the villagers who is infected with HIV.

And it spreads from there.

There are probably a million diseases like HIV that just never happened to have spread beyond sort of "ground zero," but this one did.

But no, it's probably not from actual sex with a monkey.

Side: Yes

I've never bothered to look up the details, but that just seems ridiculous. Call it an argument from incredulity, but the creation of a global disease that kills millions every year by a national government for "killing minorities"?

I call bullshit.

Side: No
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

It was created by communist muslims to destroy america but because of the worlds support of homosexuals it has spread worldwide and the only thing that can save the world is god and guns

Side: Yes
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Yea, I was pretty sure it was bullshit, just wanted to see if there was a solid theory behind it at all. Lol, not the cat part, that was my own dumb idea I threw in, just the "government creating aids thing"

Side: No
1 point

Okay, without the cat part and the minorities part, does anyone believe AIDS or HIV was created?

Side: No
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

No,even now it's not possible, HIV used to be known as SIV and is known for more than 100 years

Side: Yes
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

All things are created.

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Viruses are constantly changing and adapting.

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Question might better directed to "by whom and perhaps why?"

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In the 80's there an article called "WHO murdered Africa." It wasn't a question, but rather a statement. It blamed World Health Org for creating it, or rather spreading.

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Some think unsterilized practices of medical workers in WWII give it the kick in the ass in needed to take over the world. It was believed to be transmitted from animal to human by means of the food chain.

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My opinion is the WHO means well, but they've done some stupid stuff and when playing on a global stage, you should do that.

Side: Yes