The Bible is not scientific, but you try to argue it that way. It is supernatural so your argument is somewhat dead in a religious context. As stated in an earlier post from your side of the debate, you have to speak in a language the opposing viewer understands. No one has yet to prove it wrong because you cant, it cannot be measured scientifically even though many have tried. You state that it has and I would love to see your evidence. I am a scientist and have yet to come up with any factual proof it is incorrect. Most of the OT is like a history book and should be taken in that context. Moreover, the writers did have their own views on what they witnessed as well. One final thing, all things are possible with God!

pizza boy, do not be so rude and disrespectful to the beliefs of others. Moreover, why do you make statements when you obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about. You sound ignorant and do not even propose a a good argument that contributes to the conversation. If you want to argue a point, do not sound so ignorant and know some facts before coming to the table.

I am a person of faith and agree with you completely! It is just like any battle, know your opponent and fight in a language that is familiar to them (not in a negative sense here, just an analogy) that they can understand.

It actually depends on the context and content of the argument. I believe regardless of your faith, you should always stand up for what you believe in, but I also believe in respecting the beliefs of others as well. I do not appreciate people who disrespect Christian beliefs and believe you should respect all religions without bias.

LOL, since when do young children even have a view on life, since they really do not even have a concept of what it is yet? At that age, they take the views of their parents. I am a person of faith and do appreciate the separation of church and state; however, most major religions believe in creation and disagree on most everything else. It could very well be taught as a theory or idea since 90% of the world population subscribes to some type of faith. I do agree however that school is for reading, writing and arithmetic. I am not a real fan of anything else being taught in public schools as even history and science has slanted views on certain topics. Creationism is not a science, but it does fit into other areas of our lives. Our children learn many things in school that their parents and family do not agree with, but that does not mean it is being "shoved" down anyone's throat or we should be offended by it, you just teach them the truth at home. For example, we do not believe in evolution, but it is "shoved" down my children's throats at school. I just teach my children that it is a popular theory and they can judge for themselves...end of story. Same holds true with Greek mythology. I think that is a bunch of hogwash, but I teach my children that it is just an interesting story of someone's imagination. I am a firm believe however that the schools should always, always, always, respect and encourage a moment of silence.

Not just ridiculous, stupid! How many starving children or homeless people could be better served by that waste on greed or stupidity?

lol, I totally disagree with you. America is made up of several cultures and that is the beauty of it. While I personally am not a pro-culture and traditions person (more of a humanity position), I do see that every culture and tradition is represented in America. I am American, but with me, I bring Irish and Scottish traditions that I grew up with and transfer those to my children. Everyone has a tradition and culture, but some just don't get all wrapped up into as a way to identify and value themselves. Success is not measured by your culture and traditions. To me, it is measured by your ability to love and respect others.

I have to disagree with the "self" thing there PYG. That is what is wrong with our me, me society. Yes, we are individuals, but we are also a part of something much greater than us...we. I am not saying you are wrong per se, I am just a person that puts others before myself and find it very rewarding, but I do agree with the rest of your post.

Does anyone really know their true culture and traditions anymore? Your culture and traditions are those you identify with. To me, it is a matter of humanity. At the end of the day, we all have the same basic traits, live, die and pay taxes. I do not care about ones culture because I love and respect them all and learn a lot about history, but more of a human element to me.

With all due respect, I think you all are really misled in your thinking. Rarely do our choices matter...seriously. This is not to be sarcastic, believe me, but how much do you really know about politics? Even our so-called foreign enemies know that the US government is not a reflection of its people.

When has a politician or government entity ever truly represent its people? I am old and have yet to see it. It is just a bunch of wealthy people running the poor into the ground for their own benefit, and we pay them to do it too...lol!

Could you please point out to me what good "changes here and there,"Obama did? I am still waiting for him to fullfill just one of his campaign promises. I have had the unfortunte experience of being exposed to Romney and McCain politics here in Arizona and know them both. We need an independent or someone else to vote for because our choices are not appealing, or just not vote.

In the Miss America Pageant, we get to choose from 50+ and for the president, we get a few idiots. More disturbing is that there is no "none of the above" columns so that we can tell them, "This is not working for us so try again" Obama is obviously really bad for our country and Romney is just as bad and a few cookies short.

Another waste of money on something that is not all that promising

Wasted material Brad?? You were almost making sense until your obvious disregard and lack of respect for a growing human life surfaced...wow.

If you want people (over 90% of the human population surveyed are of faith) to understand your argument, then you need to be respectful their beliefs as well. You said, "Because there's no profit to humanity if a human is saved, right?" That is hypocritical because ES destroys human life and so does abortion...hmmm.

I have a family member (father) that has already died due to a disease that they say ES could cure in the future and again, I say, at what cost? I agree with the space program elimination though and believe in scientific research, but not at the cost of destroying human life and immoral acts. All religion aside, when your number is up, you are going and there is nothing on earth that can save you, so maybe protecting your soul is not a bad idea. On the other hand, it appears to me that you are probably ill or know someone who is and my heart goes out to you, but we do not need to destroy life to prolong another life. I understand your passion and I agree with much of what you have stated, I just disagree with ESCR. My prayers are with you BB.

And no offense to you BB, but to a religious person, God is the ultimate creator of science and scientists are always too busy trying to play God, so it is not a apples to oranges comparison. Look how much time, effort and money is spent in the scientific community to "disprove" creation. I have several family members that could benefit from it in the future as well, but at the cost of detroying life, they would not want it and niether would I. It is kind of like an adult hiding behind a child while under attack...cowardly in my book. Funny thing is that we get persecuted for animal research which is a big no no, but human research is not...I don't get you people and I am in the scientific field (neuropsychology). Just another self-destructive path in science, and I am glad there are people like me in that field. Where is the hope and faith of humanity..in a Petri- dish?

They should not be destroying human life in the first place so lets exchange one evil over the other? Is that your argument? It would be okay to say that "lets make this destroyed life mean something by using it to help others such as a donor does when he or she dies; however, if you open up that can of worms, it will just be abused like everything else.

So that makes it okay to believe that a growing human is sub-human and expendable??? Seriously?

This makes me laugh because humans are their own worst enemy and are destroying themselves. Science over religion is not the truth, that is just a fasade and a way to get around a moral and ethical questions. Religion is just brought into the debate to misguide people on the unproven benefits of Stem cell research

It is because people's faith(which condems ES) have their hard earned money going toward something they competely oppose and violates their religious beliefs. Therefore, their rights are being violated.

It is a matter of how you value human life and your morals. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that an embryo is a growing human, but since it is just in the growing stages it is okay to kill it? That is close to "lets call an unborn baby a fetus so that we can feel all better about ourselves we we destroy IT and do not have to have any guilt." Wrapping it up in a scientific terms does not help the argument of destroying life in its growing stage...Stem cell research is just plain wrong and does not help humanity, but takes the humanity out of us.