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LCA 6A Enlightenment Debate: John Locke vs. Thomas Hobbes
Overarching Focus Question: Who has history (Time) proven correct, John Locke or Thomas Hobbes?
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I argue that I support Locke because he supports life,liberty,and property were Hobbes THINKS people are naturally cruel,selfish, and greedy. Another one is that Locke believes in free social contract were Hobbes thinks people should not be free to have social contract.
In the state of nature men mostly kept their promises and honored their obligations, and, though insecure, it was mostly peaceful, good, and pleasant. Though some places and times are insecure, violent conflicts are often ended by the forcible imposition of a just peace on evil doers, and peace is normal.
Today most of mankind celebrates holidays together in peace. Even though we may have had wars we also had a lot of peace and we created many festivities in honor of us getting over what we did in the past and learning from our mistakes. When we didn't learn from our mistakes and history repeated itself we learned the second time. And after all of this we are in peace, we are not at war.
Locke believed that a government can only be valid if it has a social contract with it's people. An example is when the colonists revolted against Great Britain
I agree with Carter because without a social contract people have no proof that they have rights. To have a stable government, people must put their trust in the government, and if people don't know what their rights are, they will not trust the government.
Another example was when Trump was impeached. this event used John Locke's idea of overthrowing government even though he wasn't thrown out of office. I found my information on DOGOnews.
Locke believed that people have natural rights. Life, liberty, and property. The U.S. used this in their Declaration of Independence. The U.S. is one of the most powerful countries on the world. People are encouraged to fight for their rights.
The first African American statue was put in statuary hall proving that all people have rights including African Americans. I found my information on Teen Tribune.
Slaves weren't encouraged to fight. Women weren't either. Both of them were considered displays. ''Everybody's'' rights, more like rights for powerful white people only.
In a natural state all people were equal and independent, and everyone had a natural right to defend his "life, health, liberty, or possessions"
In the US today, all men and women who are part of the United States, are equal and independent in their own way. In the Declaration of Independence it says, ¨We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.¨
Locke believed a government can only be legitimate, or valid, if it is
based on a social contract with citizens. A contract is an agreement
between people in which both sides agree to something in order to
reach a shared goal. A social contract happens between a
government and its people. The people agree to give up some
freedoms if the government agrees to protect everyone’s rights. If
the government fails to deliver, the people revolt—like the colonists
did during the American Revolution.
In the American Revolution, the colonists revolted against the British because they were not given the rights that they were given at birth so they rebelled. They fought for their rights because they knew that what they were doing was right. Locke believed that people were given their natural rights at birth and they should be allowed to have them and the American Revolution shows the colonists defending their natural rights.
When they wrote that that was not the case because slaves and women did not have a lot of liberty and could not really pursue happiness in that many ways.
It may have only been white men back then. But now obviously something happened because if you look around no matter what race you are, women or men, everyone has the same rights!
When people are born, they have a blank slate. They fill it in as they progress through life. Hobbes say that people are naturally selfish and greedy. That is only when people are raised like that. You can make someone not be greedy by teaching them kindness and sympathy
He didn't give them a chance because he didn't have too. People on their own can do horrible thing like when one man attacked in Las Vegas attacked a concert and wounded 800 people.
The only important role of the state is to ensure that justice is seen to be done. Since governments exist by the consent of the people in order to protect the rights of the people and promote the public good, governments that fail to do so can be resisted and replaced with new governments. Locke is thus also important for his defense of the right of revolution.
In the US Department of Justice (DOJ) Thomas Jefferson wrote, “The most sacred of the duties of government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens.” This sacred duty to fulfill the promise of justice for all remains the guiding ideal for the men and women of the Department in carrying out their mission: “To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.” This shows that John Locke influenced the US government in many ways.
John Locke's version of social contract theory is saying that the only right people give up in order to enter into civil society and its benefits is the right to punish other people for violating rights, but according to Hobbes, the lives of individuals in the state of nature were "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short", a state in which self-interest and the absence of rights and contracts prevented the "social contract", or society. John Locke is stating that some people give up some of their rights to either have more rights, to live under justice or to live civilly. Hobbes is stating that people are too "solitary, poor, nasty, and brutish", and people are too upset about the absence of rights, that the social contract was postponed.
John Locke believed that people are a social animal. This is proven by CNN. CNN posted an article about comedians finding new ways to connect with their audiences. this proves that people like to be social.
Locke ideas are in the constitution and without Locke's ideas there would be the impotent civil rights movement and all the other impotent protests in history.
He argued that people have rights, such as the right to life, liberty, and property, that have a foundation independent of the laws of any particular society. Locke used the claim that men are naturally free and equal as part of the justification for understanding legitimate political government as the result of a social contract where people in the state of nature conditionally transfer some of their rights to the government in order to better ensure the stable, comfortable enjoyment of their lives, liberty, and property.
When Abraham Lincoln dedicated a national cemetery for the soldiers who had died at Gettysburg, four months after that central battle of the American Civil War, he was not the principal speaker. But no other speech that day has been remembered the way Lincoln’s words are. He spoke of the past, of the “proposition that all men are created equal” on which the Republic was founded; he spoke of the present, of the sacrifices ordinary men in blue had made to vindicate that proposition; and he spoke of a future in which living Americans must continue to dedicate themselves to the “great task” of preserving that ideal forever. Nothing else anchors the challenges of our present to the intentions of our past more clearly than the Gettysburg Address. This shows that Abraham Lincon knew that all men were created equal and no one should have more power over another.
I agree with Colby because if we let people have all of the power without a structured system of government, there would be chaos throughout the country.
Hobbes said that “Human beings are naturally cruel, selfish, and greedy”. This fact is proven by the obvious nature of men and women that their hunger for power and money is endless and can never be sated.
Hobbes wanted a social contract but didn't think it should go both ways. he believed once the people handed over the power for protection, they lost the right to overthrow, replace, or question the government.
I disagree with you because if you teach people how to share they won't be selfish, and if you teach them this from an early age, they won't need the government to protect them from their own selfishness.
Hobbes also believed that people wouldn't be able to invent things because they were scared people would steal it, also people would be scared to plant crops because people would steal them.
I agree with Levi because if people are too selfish then they turn greedy and no one likes greedy people. Since the government is protecting people from their own selfishness, it is preventing them from thinking about themselves and thinking about others.
Hobbes said "The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone." What he is saying is that why have government when we could have Kings and Queens. Hobbes thought slaves were good.
Hobbes ideas are important because people were cruel and selfish and they all should just give in their freedom be ruled instead of getting into conflicts.