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HERO! VILAIN!
Debate Score:170
Arguments:44
Total Votes:223
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Ned Kelly- Hero OR Villain?

Simple: Is Edward Kelly a Hero or a Villain. This is assosiated with the essay topic on my exams, and I would like to look at some arguements Wink!

Thanks,

~TheHoz

HERO!

Side Score: 104
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VILAIN!

Side Score: 66
9 points

I personally think Ned Kelly was a hero not a villain. For some of use you are probably agreeing but for the rest I'm wrong. I thought about this over and over again then finally i made up my mind. Now i know Ned Kelly robbed banks,murdered people and was always involved in horse theft but think again, when Ned Kelly robbed banks he gave some of it to the poor and he ONLY formed the kelly gang because they had taken his mother (Ellen Kelly) to prison for three years for no reason.They had thought if they take his mother to prison she will speak and tell them where Ned and Dan were. If they had not taken his mother none this rad off had happen.

And that is why think Ned Kelly is a hero not a villain!

Side: HERO!
6 points

he stood up for what was right and besides, the laws were injustice

Side: HERO!
9 points

Ned Kelly was simply standing up for his rights, the way he was doing so wasn’t right but his motive was. He broke the laws, but the laws were injustice.

Side: HERO!
4 points

The police were boasting that they were going to kill Ned Kelly. That is why he protected himself by killing the police.

Side: HERO!
7 points

Ned Kelly is hero to my eyes because the problem was the authorities such as the police, who acted like that Ned Kelly is bad man for doing thefts and robberies, but the problem started from them. Ned Kelly was merely standing up for his rights because that time they where was a little discrimination going unto the Irish because of their background and guess what Ned was Irish so maybe he thought that no one would take action, so he had his own method of protest and showing who is wrong but still I think that his method was wrong but his motive wasn't wrong

Side: HERO!
5 points

he was hunted by police because he tried to get back at them for arresting his mum for no reason

Side: HERO!
5 points

He saved someones life when he was in his teens but he did rob banks. He robbed banks because he wasn't selfish so he gave the money to the poor and his family and friends.

Side: HERO!
5 points

Dear Ned was both a hero And a victim.

If he and his family ahd been left alone by the police this wouldn't of happened and we might of had a good right of history. BUT the police would NOT leave him alone.

Also, he was like a robin hood of the time. He would give some of what he got from the banks he would give to the poor.

And other things but my laptop only has 2% charge so I have no time...

Side: HERO!
4 points

besides, he was hanged as an outlaw- how would you like it if you were hung for standing up for what was right against unfair laws?

Side: HERO!
CLARKEY34(7) Clarified
3 points

thats why you wouldnt stand up against the law by damanding things and killing people

Side: HERO!

He's like the very definition of a bad arse rebel, so I love him :')

Side: HERO!
3 points

He saved a schoolmate from drowning when he was 12 and his dad only died when he was 10. Also, he only killed those policemen to protect his gang, and when he accidentally shot Sergent Kennedy, he put him out of his misery.

And, in the Genrowan siege, he let the prisoners escape, because the police were shooting the innocent prisoners.

Although, he stole from the rich and gave to the poor, the poor Irish loved him, the rich English hated him, so really the decision is really depended on who you are.

Side: HERO!
2 points

I find him more of a hero than a villain. In his early years, he saved a young boy from drowning. Later on in his life, his friend had lent him a horse which was in fact stolen without Kelly's knowledge. This had got him unjustly arrested for a few years. Also, some say when Ned had murdered 3 cops it was mainly for self defense, as they came to him with guns and allegedly shot at him first...

Also, people had made up most of his crimes, and even made up things about his mother, which led to his innocent mother's arrest. You can't really blame him from rebelling against the law and such; he was the son of Irish convicts who obviously despised the English.

Side: HERO!
2 points

Ned Kelly was the only hero on Australia history confronting the colonial empire. It's was a class struggle with Britain colonialism that no many wanted to take part on it and today they sweep under the carpet. Him and his family were attacked and they responded.The accidental shutting of a policeman was the trigger for the hunting to presided. Saluted to the only hero of the Australian history!

Side: HERO!
2 points

Ned kelly is a hero he save a 7 year old boy from drowning and the boy became a father with 4 girls and 8 sons so he is a HERO!!!

Side: HERO!
2 points

I think Ned Kelly is a hero because he was all ways trying to do the right thing but the police all ways try to get evolved and making Ned Kelly get mad. yes he did go agents the law but if it was not for them he would be a good guy

Side: HERO!
2 points

The Shelton’s thought that Ned has stolen their horse, but he did something that made the Shelton’s forget it. DICK SHELTONS dad demanded that Ned Kelly was a thief. Their son dick was walking to school when he fell into Hughes Creek. when Ned Kelly was walking to somewhere he found the boy drowning so he jumped into the river at the speed of light. Fear was covering him. I came home wet and I told: “my mum that Ned Kelly saved me from drowning he should be awarded.” Then his mum and dad said that he is poor and stole my horses so we should give him a small gift. Then my dad said that we will give him a green sash. That’s a good Idea I demanded. After a week, we rewarded him with the present we decided to give him. He was thankful for this present. Dick Shelton demanded, “thank you for saving me”. Then ned Kelly said it’s all right. Ned Kelly demanded, “thank you for the present.” Ned was happy with his strange reward. Ned wore the green sash on only special occasions. Ned Kelly’s mother was proud of his work saving the Shelton boy. Since then Shelton’s thought that ned Kelly is good and evil. The Shelton’s and ned Kelly were like the faces of a coin one side is always negative. Everyone in his family liked it and so did the Shelton’s. Then they thought they should have given him something else. Ned Kelly was proud himself for saving a drowning lad. From then the people in the town of Glenrowan was proud of having a kid likened.

Side: HERO!
2 points

He was hunted by police because he tried to get back at them for arresting his mum for no reason.

Side: HERO!
SSVChampion(2) Disputed
2 points

If Ned Kelly was trying to defend his mum, instead of killing people why couldn't he of just settled it a much NICER way? HE IS A VILLAIN!!!

Side: VILAIN!
2 points

Ned Kelly was being a nice person with the horse that he didn't know that was stolen and he neally got killed by not even knowing that it was stolen

Side: HERO!
1 point

Ned Kelly is a hero.I do not pretend that I have led a blameless life, or that one fault justifies another, but the public in judging a case like mine should remember that the darkest life may now have a bright side

Side: HERO!
spata12(1) Disputed
0 points

This is so wrong because of the following reasons. Ned Kelly was a villain that deserved to be killed. Just becaause he was blamed doesnt mean he actuallyt bahahv vb h hh hh h h h hh h h h

Side: VILAIN!
1 point

People have always argued about Ned Kelly being a hero or a villain. Don’t be too quick to judge. You people may think Ned Kelly was a villain but really, he was a hero. As he saved a young lads life, he stole money from the banks and gave it to the local people and while he was robbing the banks to get money for the local people he burnt up all the banks reports, so they don't know who is in debt with the bank. Ned was let out 6 months early from his sentence of 3 years of hard labour because of good behaviour.(He was sentenced and it wasn’t his fault)

Side: HERO!
1 point

I fully agree that Ned Kelly is a hero, because when his mother went to jail the police thought that Ned was trouble, so people he knew would give him something that was stolen like lets just say for example.....when that guy said to Ned about that pretty chestnut horse named lady then the guy gave the mare to Ned cause she was a stolen horse!

So then after that the police targeted Ned cause the mare was stolen by somebody else.

then the community of Greta or whatever started to blame the Kelly gang on anything that would happen in the town

sooooooo NED KELLY IS A HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Side: HERO!
0 points

if he's a villain then why does he keep getting hunted and keep trying to kill him just for doing nothing

Side: HERO!
alfie23(37) Disputed
1 point

He keeps getting hunted because he murdered people. It doesn't matter why he did it, they are better ways to resolve things than killing someone. He did not do nothing, just because he saved someone doesn't mean he is automatically a hero. If a serial killer saved someone today, would the police excuse them? No. If someone murders someone they can't undo that action by saving someone. If someone saves someone, mass murders later will not be excused by the previous act.

Side: VILAIN!
8 points

He only ever saved 1 life and took many. He chose to go down the path of an out law when he could have been a respected hard working man to everyone

Side: VILAIN!
7 points

Ned Kelly was simply a villain because of these dreadful things he's done.he saved only 1 life and took over 10!plus he was arrested twice for assault under the age of 17!! then he rode a stolen horse and was sentenced 3 years jail!! HE WAS DEFINITELY A BAD MAN/ VILLAIN!!!! soz i would love to say more (talkings my fav thing!) but my macbook is only 3% and it's going to di soon so c ya :) p.s thanks 2 the peepz who say he's a villain coz he's not a hero 1 tiny bit!!!

Side: VILAIN!
mmasterblast(2) Disputed
3 points

but he didn't know that horse was stolen.

he killed people to fight injustice

Side: HERO!
6 points

calling ned kelly a good man is an overstatement!he was a demander a killer,how could they trust such a horrible person,killing 3 officers leading his gang to there deaths stealing and making many inoccent people suffer ned kelly was a man of murderesism!

Side: VILAIN!
MagnumX82(10) Disputed
5 points

When did he demand anything!

He killed 3 police officers in defense of him and his gang and when were the innocent people suffering!

He was a HERO not a VILLAIN!!!!!!

Side: HERO!
WarHorse805(7) Disputed
5 points

Him killing the 3 pmen was to defend himself and his gang!

also, it says in the Black snake book he thought one of the men was holding a revolver. When he relised he had made a mastake, he put the man out of his misery by shooting him in the head, ending it quickly and painlessly.

Side: HERO!
4 points

he killed three policeman, assaulted many innocent people, ned robbed many banks, he made is family suffer with all the harsh things he was doing and even made is brother dan suffer and end up dyeing because of him and his gang

Side: VILAIN!
4 points

he is a villain why? because he took people lives away and only saving one when he was a young boy. he also had the diction to move away from his family and friends and then be a respected trustworthy person in sted of going down the path of an out law. in addition he made innocent people suffer as much. In conclusion I say that it is an overstatement to call him a good man.

I am sorry if I didn't spell something correctly I am not the best speller :)

Side: VILAIN!
3 points

In Kelly's early years he became a disturbance to the law. When he was only 13 years-old he had his first brush against the law. Ned's neighbour had claimed that Ned had stolen one of his many horses. At 15 Ned became an apprentice to a bushranger called Harry Power. He resulted into getting arrested by troopers and spent several weeks in jail. After his release, Ned decided that the life of a bushranger wasn't much fun anymore and left. This may have been the best decision he made in his short life. Only three years later had Ned suddenly returned to his old ways again of horse and cattle theft. Most people don't have that willingness to break bad habits, they have a lot of excuses and talk like victims; exactly what Kelly did in 1877 'til his death.

Edward "Ned" Kelly was a cattle and horse thief, villainous murderer and bank robber. At the age of 23, he and the Kelly Gang killed three troopers (policemen) at Stringybark Creek. A lot of different reports of what happened had been told, but no matter the different scenarios, the results came out similar. Three troopers were dead. Two women were widows. Nine children were left fatherless. Do you really think a blood thirsty murderer and cash-obsessed bank robber like Ned Kelly would've been a hero?

Some say Ned was a hero for saving the younges member of the Sheltons, Dick, from drowning in a creek, but I say that one, small supposedly heroic act that someone did in their early childhood doesn't change the fact that he has done so many wrong doings. Ned Kelly will forever and always be the most feared, villanous oulaw of the 19th century.

Side: VILAIN!
6 points

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Side: VILAIN!
3 points

he may have only took what he need but he still stole yes he may have split the money with his family but the money never belonged to him and he wasn't a good man maybe if he grew up with his father and wasn't driven towards being a criminal ned Kelly saved one but killed many he cold bloodily murdered three men left nine children! nine children! for Christ sakes fatherless and two women widows the killings did not only affect the police force but think of the family if you lost say one of your parents would you hate the man that killed one of them ? I know I would and face I he is a villain

Side: VILAIN!
3 points

ned kelly was a thief and outlaw. ned kelly is a villain because he killed three policemen. he stole horses and cattles. He only saved 1 life and took many.

Side: VILAIN!
3 points

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Side: VILAIN!
3 points

Ned Kelly, a typical villain, was an Australian bushranger, outlaw, gang leader and convicted police murderer. He took many lives of innocent people and stole from many banks. How would you think this despicable villain is a hero?

Side: VILAIN!
2 points

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Side: VILAIN!
2 points

How would you feel, if one day your dad didn’t come home? How would you feel if your only means of money was taken from you, and you weren’t able to provide food for your family? How would you feel if you were killed simply because you weren’t fast enough to follow an order? This was the reality for many people who lived in the shadow of fear cast by Ned Kelly. Kelly was a cold-blooded merciless villain and was a bank robber, a murder and a livestock thief, who lived a life of crime from the age of 12.

Ned Kelly maintained a disregard for human existence throughout his lifetime. According to well respected and leading Queensland physiatrist Dr Russ Scott, the legendary outlaw Ned Kelly has been diagnosed as a “violent and vindictive psychopath’ . He also stated that ‘a close examination of his early developmental history and his subsequent criminal behaviour has shown that Kelly demonstrated ‘very prominent psychopathic features, ’ such as pathological lying, callous lack of empathy for others and a parasitic lifestyle. Kelly’s disregards are corroborated by website The Age, ‘Kelly took hostages during shootouts. In fact, he killed 4 people during the Glenrowan Shootout.’ Kelly also murdered Constables Michael Kennedy, Thomas Lonigan and Michael Scanlon during an assault on Stringybark Creek on the 25 October, 1878 . Without doubt, Kelly had a disrespect for human life.

Ned Kelly is a vicious and violent criminal. He stole livestock and sold them to innocents who later would be charged by the police with receiving a stolen horse and knowing it to be stolen. Ned Kelly was born for a life a crime. This is validated by Australian historian and historic author Carole Wilkinson who claims that a phrenologist who examined Kelly’s skull after his death, found large indents in his skull of ‘self-esteem, destructiveness and love of power ’ and particularly noticed the ‘small area of caution ’. This combination of bumps meant that Kelly would have been destined for a life of crime. Kelly also sold stolen livestock to innocent people who would later be charged with receiving livestock and knowing it to be stolen. These people would be spent up to 3 years hard labour for being convicted . Clearly Kelly is a violent criminal!

Side: VILAIN!
1 point

Ned Kelly was a bad person because his motives were virtuous, however, his actions were wrong. He committed many crimes including assaults, murder and robberies. A rough childhood doesn’t excuse murder.

Side: VILAIN!
1 point

Sorry Ned — you’re a villain. Murder, theft, assault; it’s all too much for a hero. Look at all those crimes — in only 25 years! He is a baddie, that’s for sure.

- LunaStar

Side: VILAIN!