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 Why do mass shootings happen mostly in the U.S.? (22)

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Why do mass shootings happen mostly in the U.S.?

With the horrible news of the mass shooting today in Oak Creek, WI I have really started to wonder this. It adds to a large amount of mass shootings including the recent Aurora shooting, the Columbine shooting, the Clocktower shooting, etc. America is estimated to have had 80% of the world's mass shootings. This is a frightening number, and I don't find any comfort in believing its only because of the large population in America.

 

Just why? Why is America the haven for mass shootings?

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Well, the worse mass shooting to ever happen happened in Norway, and the worst school massacre to happen in the US was done by explosives.

However, guns are used in over half of the murders that occur in the country. so it makes sense that most of the mass murders that happen will be used with guns.

This is not to say that guns are the problem. In areas where guns were banned (like Chicago and DC) gun homicides only increased. As well, while it may seem that gun crimes are more prevalent in areas that have looser gun control, it also noted that gun crimes are unchanged by whether gun control is passed or not.

Just the facts reports that gun control (not gun bans) are ineffective in areas that already have gun violence. Gun bans, on the other hand, are correlated with MORE gun violence.

Putting in my part before this debate turns into a "obviously because guns are legal" shout fest.

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Putting in my part before this debate turns into a "obviously because guns are legal" shout fest.

Very much appreciated.

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Why do suicide bombings mostly happen in the Middle East? Crazy people with crazy pressure. Here, crazy people with access to guns and a media which glorifies violence; there, crazy people following a mostly crazy religion which crazy people think encourages them to blow shit up.

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Guns are an indelible thread of our cultural fabric.

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We all know why. It's their ridiculous accessibility to firearms that influences this.

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I do think the way Holmes obtained the weapons was too easy. But I think potential criminals with intent will always be capable of obtaining some sort of harmful weapon, so I don't think this is the key issue.

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

Before these events took place, there were warning signs ignored. People often cry out for help only to be turned away. Finding a single underlaying cause is next to impossible, it may deem from bulling, lack of friends, trouble with parents, etc.

If you really want to know the reason, watch: "Falling Down"

Supporting Evidence: Brief discription of movie, "Falling Down" (en.wikipedia.org)
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Your point is a good one, I think rather than gun control this method would be more effective. The problem is, isolating these cases and dealing with them before they escalate.

I don't think a whole lot of research has been done in this area yet, but if we are able to find a system in which people like Holmes can be treated before anything serious happens it could go a long way. But the problem is, Holmes was not really guilty of anything before the shooting, so this could prove to be very difficult.

No laws have to be broken before citizens jump in. People are often hesitate to become evolved in anything that doesn't directly affect them. The educational system (educational: everything learned, by parents, college, etc.) has failed to instill this.

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Well this is a good question but it is only a common misconception that all mass shootings happen in the United States. In reality though, most mass shootings happen in third-world countries. We do not hear of these shootings because our national media tends to hide most of the events that happen around the world unless you look closely into their websites. Many American's are hesitant to look into world news and stick with national news. So you are not incorrect with saying most happen in the United States when it is hard to know of many of these happening in other parts of the world.

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I think it's valid. We certainly have a lot more shootings in the America, because our culture is violent and destructive. We live in a culture of division and disintegration. Yes, these things happen everywhere. They happen A LOT more here. We can turn this into a statistical argument which is futile. The point is that there's something dysfunctional about America that needs to be addressed.

From all the things Ive read, comparing mass shooting in America to other countries, I would not come to the same conclusion you did. The US does not have more mass shooting per capita then alot of other countries. Please provide a source for your statistic.

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It was revealed on the Piers Morgan show the day of the Aurora shooting, I can't seem to find it online though.

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Don't trust CNN stats.

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I don't think that they are confined to the US, it's just that the US ones are the ones that get reported. There is a very high rate of gun violence in the US, probably because of the whole "right to bear arms" thing.

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because there american is there any other reason. nnnnnnnnnnn

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I would hope there is another reason. Your contribution of bigotry does not help this discussion.

I am an American who recently spent a lot of time in Europe. I was actually in Europe when the Colorado shootings occurred and I asked myself that very question. I quickly realized that the answer is a lot deeper than just "guns". Guns is a lazy answer. The answer is that there's much more of a culture of mutual respect in Europe, where people are valued on the individual level. The very first thing I noticed in Europe was that no one really exuded any sense of status. Everyone was just the same, other people. There really wasn't much of a sense of rich or poor, good side of town versus bad side of town. I also didn't notice that many people trying to play King of Hill. I noticed that even people who worked jobs that would considered shitty in America were treated with the same esteem as everyone else. I also how they cherish community, family, and friends. They are well-integrated society.

I can't say that about America. In America, everyone is raised with the Western Cowboy mentality. You're 100% on your own and people try so hard to be better than everyone else. There's so much competition over stupid stuff that doesn't matter that it's ridiculous. One thing I consistently heard from every nationality was "Americans are the loneliest people in the world". Even if you have a lot of friends, there's something about our culture that prevents us from being real with each other. We're too busy being the cowboy, or keeping up with appearances. And there's very few people that know us at all.

All these crazy people that go ape shit and kill a bunch of people. You never see any interviews from their friends, because they didn't have any. They sat alone in their crazy little world, cooking up their crazy little thoughts, and then they went online looking for information to support their crazy beliefs. They don't really have connections with people, just ideas. When you live in a society that encourages to feel connected to other people, to value other people, you're less likely to do that kind of thing, but you can get cabin fever in the middle of New York City.

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I believe a mass shooter in the frame of mind to start shooting people is looking for a target rich environment. A grouping of people that can be shot at until police arrive. The greater the risk that one or more people in that group also has a gun, the less the risk a mass shooter will start shooting.

Because of the notorious gun violence in the United States and the NRA is such a powerful lobby.