If you can offer nothing intelligent or a valid rebuttal why do you embarrass yourself by making idiotic comments. Do you realize that in life that makes you the loser? If you wanted to show signs of being a winner you would offer something good about socialism. So far if you notice no one has been able to do that. The supporters of socialism have only offer idiotic comments and envy.

You have described it beautifully. Socialism is where everyone strives to the lowest common denominator.

Why would anyone without a brain join a debate site? You have no intellect to debate. There are others like you why don't you join an ignorant argument site? That seems like it would be more to your ability.

The only good part of socialism comes when you have no wealth to give and no desire to create wealth then the working folks will make sure that you live just like they do except every day is a vacation day. I can't wait to be able to quit my job and live on socialism!!

To address your last comment Who would be in charge of the redistribution of the wealth? How would this be carried out? If for one second you think that politicians and bankers would not be involved you lying to yourself. These are the people who steal your money. the "capitalist businessman" just sets up a business and creates a profit by offering a service or producing a product. If they are successful they give jobs to many people and make a profit from their service or product. Bankers take the wealth of other people and turn that into wealth for themselves and if successful wealth for those who have invested in them. Politicians take wealth from people by force spend it like they stole it live in luxury and create more ways to steal the wealth of the people they rule over. So again I ask who will redistribute the wealth?

I would like to address the Banking issue there are banks in socialist societies and there are politicians in socialist societies Banks own the politicians and in a collective society who do you think control the monetary system? Politicians and bankers who currently are the biggest thieves in the world? Politicians and bankers. If we look historically at the failure of socialism in the world the cause of failure is always the corruption of the bankers and politicians. In the USA bankers and politicians are still the most corrupt section of society and they would be the ones implementing the socialist agenda.

So you seem to be discussing a theoretical unrealistic version of socialism that doesn't work for the same reasons.

In the real world most of the profit bearing entities are privately owned so either the collective would have to steal the company by force or the owner would have to sell it to the collective or more likely the owner would move the company to a capitalist society. Socialist societies are not known for their innovative ideas worldwide because as I have mentioned there is not incentive. If we look at reality we see the innovative people from socialist societies defecting to capitalist societies. Just something to think about how many Americans defect to socialist countries? How many people defect from socialist countries to the USA? It shouldn't be difficult to see which system is better.

You should research it, fun fact no organic matter has ever been located deeper than 1,000 feet below the surface of the earth. Oil is normally found from 3500 to 6000 feet below the surface.

It's interesting that very few people actually understand politics at all. Both sides want state control it's their Job. The ruling class (politicians) make their fortunes from "us" If they were to shrink government there would be less ruling class positions. Less control of the population. Politics is just like "Pro Wrestling" there is all of the drama and conflict in public then they pat each others' back and laugh as they fleece the American public

What evidence do you have to support that theory? Known fact is that oil is not from organic sources as they taught everyone in school. This means that oil is a product of geological processes. What evidence is there that oil isn't being formed every day.

So what incentive is there for companies to stay in the socialist societies if they can go to capitalist societies and make money? FYI Banks are run by the people who control the governments of the world so there is no economic system which they will not exploit. There are still people who will collect and redistribute the wealth these would be the bankers and politicians.Are you really trying to say they would give back what they have stolen? Reality check they will just like corporations take their portion and distribute what's left. There will be no difference they will be super wealthy from your labor.

So according to this business people have no good reason to build large businesses. since making a profit is evil. In your crazy world, employing people who are willing to work for a designated amount in order to make money is wrong? Does it become clear to you at this point that this is the reason businesses and the wealthy leave socialist countries? Then the government does what the employer did but with one difference you can never be the success story in a socialist world. It kills all innovation and creativity that could change the world. like Apple, and Microsoft, Facebook, ect. these were ideas of people who were creative to make it big and they changed the world. If they had developed these ideas in a socialist society they would have left to a better place where they could profit from their ideas. Socialism is not good