If you can offer nothing intelligent or a valid rebuttal why do you embarrass yourself by making idiotic comments. Do you realize that in life that makes you the loser? If you wanted to show signs of being a winner you would offer something good about socialism. So far if you notice no one has been able to do that. The supporters of socialism have only offer idiotic comments and envy.
You have described it beautifully. Socialism is where everyone strives to the lowest common denominator.
Why would anyone without a brain join a debate site? You have no intellect to debate. There are others like you why don't you join an ignorant argument site? That seems like it would be more to your ability.
The only good part of socialism comes when you have no wealth to give and no desire to create wealth then the working folks will make sure that you live just like they do except every day is a vacation day. I can't wait to be able to quit my job and live on socialism!!
To address your last comment Who would be in charge of the redistribution of the wealth? How would this be carried out? If for one second you think that politicians and bankers would not be involved you lying to yourself. These are the people who steal your money. the "capitalist businessman" just sets up a business and creates a profit by offering a service or producing a product. If they are successful they give jobs to many people and make a profit from their service or product. Bankers take the wealth of other people and turn that into wealth for themselves and if successful wealth for those who have invested in them. Politicians take wealth from people by force spend it like they stole it live in luxury and create more ways to steal the wealth of the people they rule over. So again I ask who will redistribute the wealth?
I would like to address the Banking issue there are banks in socialist societies and there are politicians in socialist societies Banks own the politicians and in a collective society who do you think control the monetary system? Politicians and bankers who currently are the biggest thieves in the world? Politicians and bankers. If we look historically at the failure of socialism in the world the cause of failure is always the corruption of the bankers and politicians. In the USA bankers and politicians are still the most corrupt section of society and they would be the ones implementing the socialist agenda.
So you seem to be discussing a theoretical unrealistic version of socialism that doesn't work for the same reasons.
In the real world most of the profit bearing entities are privately owned so either the collective would have to steal the company by force or the owner would have to sell it to the collective or more likely the owner would move the company to a capitalist society. Socialist societies are not known for their innovative ideas worldwide because as I have mentioned there is not incentive. If we look at reality we see the innovative people from socialist societies defecting to capitalist societies. Just something to think about how many Americans defect to socialist countries? How many people defect from socialist countries to the USA? It shouldn't be difficult to see which system is better.
You should research it, fun fact no organic matter has ever been located deeper than 1,000 feet below the surface of the earth. Oil is normally found from 3500 to 6000 feet below the surface.
It's interesting that very few people actually understand politics at all. Both sides want state control it's their Job. The ruling class (politicians) make their fortunes from "us" If they were to shrink government there would be less ruling class positions. Less control of the population. Politics is just like "Pro Wrestling" there is all of the drama and conflict in public then they pat each others' back and laugh as they fleece the American public
What evidence do you have to support that theory? Known fact is that oil is not from organic sources as they taught everyone in school. This means that oil is a product of geological processes. What evidence is there that oil isn't being formed every day.
So what incentive is there for companies to stay in the socialist societies if they can go to capitalist societies and make money? FYI Banks are run by the people who control the governments of the world so there is no economic system which they will not exploit. There are still people who will collect and redistribute the wealth these would be the bankers and politicians.Are you really trying to say they would give back what they have stolen? Reality check they will just like corporations take their portion and distribute what's left. There will be no difference they will be super wealthy from your labor.
So according to this business people have no good reason to build large businesses. since making a profit is evil. In your crazy world, employing people who are willing to work for a designated amount in order to make money is wrong? Does it become clear to you at this point that this is the reason businesses and the wealthy leave socialist countries? Then the government does what the employer did but with one difference you can never be the success story in a socialist world. It kills all innovation and creativity that could change the world. like Apple, and Microsoft, Facebook, ect. these were ideas of people who were creative to make it big and they changed the world. If they had developed these ideas in a socialist society they would have left to a better place where they could profit from their ideas. Socialism is not good
Social security is a socialist program and the government abuses it. If people put wealth away on their own example IRA without government it would be better for everyone but politicians.
Medicare is also heavily abused if the government wanted to do the right thing with healthcare they would open Government hospitals separate from the regular ones and those who didn't pay for insurance could go to them.
The fire dept is another thing which communities could ask the members of the community to support and it would be fine.
Socialist programs are not needed and no one should be required to give between 1/3 and 1/2 of their wealth to the ruling class so they can spend it like a bunch of drunken sailors.
I'm trying to understand what you mean by the profit of your labor is stolen by someone other than the government to make themselves rich. I see how the government is doing that to me right now. Currently if I do work I get about 2/3 of what I have earned and the government steals the other 1/3. What are you talking about?
In socialism the government takes the bulk of the money by threat of force (theft) I don't give the government 1/3 of my earnings because I know they will spend it better and more responsibly than I would, I give them 1/3 of my income because they take it from me by threat of force if anyone but the government does it it's called theft. The Government calls it taxation.
It's because all of these smart people were thinking on a personal very small scale. It's easy to say let's get rid of all of our weapons of war and have world peace (a statement of good intention) But in the real world which unfortunately is the one we ALL live in there are others who are narcissistic and have a lack of empathy. They will rule over (by force) the people who believe that these ideas are sustainable in the real world. In socialism the same thing always happens the ultra wealthy have the resources to exit the socialist economy. The ruling class lives in luxury off the backs of the working class. The uninspired class gets larger and larger as the reward for hard work is eliminated and finally just like Venezuela the population is starving.
The Serpent did nothing "Evil" as the Serpent just told Eve the truth. It was God that was trying to deceive Adam and Eve. God clearly lied to Adam when He says you will die the day you eat from that tree.They did not die that day just like the Serpent said.
God lied and then punished the Serpent for telling the truth
If God had put the serpent in the garden since all that was created came from God. All that God made was good therefore the serpent was also good.
That's Funny someone down voted the actual biblical passages as if they were somehow just negative opinion, LOL
Hebrews 1:5 says nothing relevant to God and Jesus being the same entity
Isaiah 9:6 has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus
Matt 1:23 clearly says who name is Immanuel (notice Jesus doesn't mean God with us)
John 1 discusses "the word" yet does not clearly reference "the word" is Jesus just as there is not direct reference stating that Jesus is God
If we read just a couple of sentences more we see that Jesus was raised from the dead by God (different entity) Colossians 2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
All of the other examples you use don't come close to Jesus making a claim of singularity with God
Now let's look at John 14:1 Do not let your heart be troubled; [a]believe in God, believe also in Me (key word also)
11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; (Notice there is no claim that they are the same Jesus has the spirit of God in him)
12 the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.(notice two entities father and son)
None of the items you have listed indicate that God and Jesus are the same Let's look first at what John 8 really says!
16 But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me (clearly not the same)
26 I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world.” 27 They did not realize that He had been speaking to them about the Father.
28 I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me. 29 And He who sent Me is with Me; He [i]has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him.”
(Jesus clearly considers himself the son and God the father)
Genesis 1:26 has nothing to do with Jesus at all
The next statement is from the Jews not Jesus they said lots of false things (irrelevant)
If we are using the Bible as the reference for this here is the evidence against Jesus and God being the same
Matt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
26:39-53 This contains a prayer to God from Jesus
Matt 3:17 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Mark 13: 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
John 10:29-3829 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
The Zionist world rulers have already got this situation under control. Bayer the producer of Chlorine and Mustard gas and Monsanto the creators of Agent Orange have merged and control about 2/3 of the worlds food supply. Obama has given them immunity legally. They will be sure to keep the worlds population at a normal level.
