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True, there is no end to the true expropriation of private property by the government in all regards including income, for eminent domain is power to take private property for public use by the state without before the payment of just compensation to the owner of the property.
The military may change sides. Also, with the number of guns out in the wild, our politicians may not be as adventurous. If you hurt the productive members of society, you have little left. You'll be boss over no one ;)
Yes, it is possible to beat the military. We did it during the Revolution, Libya did it, Syria is doing it. French Revolution. That's why we have the right to bear arms. If the government believes it can defeat us, they would have done it a long time ago. However, they know they can not, so we control the government. If we did fight against the government, a regular, conventional battle would, of course, be a slaughter. However, guerrilla warfare against 30 million citizens is not a good thing when the government could only call on a few million itself. They would have technology, but so would we. Also, the states would not support the government in this, and some would actually fight against them (Texas, Wyoming, most conservative states). And many military personnel would never support it. It would never work. So unless the government can take control of EVERY state, convince every congressman to go along, and convince the citizens and military of the United States it is okay, only then would they succeed. They would need all three for it to work, which would never happen (at least in my life time). So yes, it is possible for the people to beat the United States Military.
I have a had time believing this. Those were the old days. Now they have jets, drones, tanks, missile, guns we don't have satellites, emps, and much more. They would completely destroy us. After all they do not have to do much to kill of one city.
Yes, they may have that. However, look at Syria as an example. They are in a civil war. The rebels are winning, even though the government has missiles, tanks, better weapons, and even chemical weapons. If the same situation happened in the US, it would just be in a wider scale. Also, they would not use EMP's or nukes because they don't want to devastate the land nor their electronics. If they used those, it would have to be a maniac as the leader. The citizens also outnumber the military by a huge majority. The citizens are armed with the same rifles as the military (and some have better ones). And like I said before, the majority of states would not support it, and would probably fight against it. And since they have tanks, guns, missiles; it would just be another civil war between the states. I don't believe it would be the government and the states versus the people. It would be the states and their people versus the government.
The thing is we aren't going into technicalities and specific details. My sister was talking about the military vs the public. Emps aren't that big. Just toss one like a 9 banger and you short out probably a ten foot radius of electronics. Nobody mentioned nuclear warfare so I do not think that really is relevant. Also if we just use the simple military bases in each state, on sea, air, etc. They have better placement and they will have weapons that we don't. Most of us can't shoot or know how o shoot effectively. Also we still do not have all the technology the military does. I mean sure if we use your logic then the military will be superior. They do stuff we still may not never know. If we just compare the strength of their technology to technology provided to the public it will out weigh ours. Now we can surely put up a tough fight because we have some incredibly smart people but the military is far too poweful.
The example was set for all military personnel to be used against the population. First you cant compare us to old ages or other countries because they arent as advanced as we were. The military is far more powerful than the population.
So if you include all military personnel, that would a total of 1.5 million active service and 850,000 reserve, so around 2.3 million soldiers. Now compare to gun owners in the USA, which is 80 million. That's about 35 gun owners to 1 soldier. Now, say only half of gun owners take up arms. That is still 40 million and 17:1. We would be very, VERY hard to defeat just based on our numbers. Also, many service members would not condone this, and probably join the resistance, like in many other countries' examples. The states would also not condone this and join in a fight against the government. A good example would be Texas, who is a major provider of military supplies, and fiercely anti-government and independent. Other states also own tanks, rifles, aircraft, missiles, and they have their Guardsmen, which takes a majority of reservists out of the military and puts it to the other side. And the US would not use Nukes. And besides, my state of Nebraska would probably be one to join against the government and Offut Air Force Base, who controls all of the nukes in the US, would be the first to be taken over. So no, the US government is not more powerful than the people and the states. We are more powerful. That's what makes us free.
I agree, in reality everything belongs to the goverment in some form of way or another. That car you have? It's the banks. But, who wons the banks? The men in office laughing as we all starve.
If I bought something with my money and its in my name how dose that belong to anyone but me? This is exactly the kind of thinking that led to the Soviet Union and that ended in a popularly supported military so what dose that tell you about livening under that kind of government?
Actually, it belongs to the bankers. In the monetary system we have American and Canadian even the government isn't exempt from being owned by the banks. Every dollar is that is created through loans is made with interest attached. Since the first dollar made in this system the banks were well on their way to owning everything.
They can take it away, but they do so illegally. Private property is owned by the specific person. When the government takes away private property, they convince the people that they can do it, and do it legally. This is wrong. They do not have the right to do so. The problem is that the people believe they can, therefore permitting the government to take private property.
no the property is defiently the person in whose name it is in the government just wants you to pay taxes on it so they can spend the money on some more uslesss crap
George Orwell, yet again, would be sad. I disagree to your question " Do we truly own anything". Well, not disagree, just wish to answer. No, we don't. You can give an item a label say it's yours, but someone can always take ti away from you. Even during a divorce trial, the judge has the right to take the child out of a mothers/fathers arms. Morally, we do own things yes. But in today's world, you cannot own anything without someone trying to find a way to make a law case out of it to prove that somehow, it is not yours, and is in fact, everyone's. Which is why, more and more, I am hating the modern world!
