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They Exist They Are Illusion
Debate Score:46
Arguments:30
Total Votes:54
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Do "Good" and "Evil" Exist?

What is good and what is evil? Who decides which is which? What is good to one person may be evil to another. So do good and evil actually exist, or is it all perception? 

They Exist

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They Are Illusion

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2 points

It's a difficult question, but I think I have defined morality in a way where it is not subjective but objective.

Basically, you can measure morality by the net loss or gain of lives. By killing a serial murderer, you can safely assume you have saved the lives of his future victims, whoever they may be.

But if you kill a charity founder or a fireman, it's safe to assume that, by killing them, you have indirectly caused the deaths of whoever they would've saved in the future.

This gets very complicated and nearly impossible to actually put into practice without the ability to see into the future, but I think it's a fair definition of "Good" and "Evil"

Side: They Exist
1 point

That's a very interesting definition, but isn't it said that taking another life is evil no matter who it is?

Side: They Are Illusion
FreeWill(120) Disputed
1 point

I see no reason to believe life is inherently sacred. If a life is to be valuable, the person who has that life must use it to save others. If he or she instead uses it to take other lives, their life, at least I believe, is no longer sacred.

Side: They Exist
1 point

Good and bad exist... I don't know about good forces and evil forces. People say that they don't just because they don't think they can argue their morals, but I think you can.

Side: They Exist
1 point

There is an existence of good. And absence of good is evil. The Bible says that God is good. Since, there is existence of God, there is also existence of good.

Side: They Exist
nummi(1432) Disputed
1 point

The Bible says that God is good. Since, there is existence of God, there is also existence of good.

You have no desire to make yourself look smart? Or critical-thinking, or rational, or objective? Or just not stupid? No? Well, then carry on.

Side: They Are Illusion
1 point

Can you legitimately prove that god exists? I don't think you can. You can use that same old, worn-out excuse; "Just look around. God made the universe, so its existence proves his." That is a very lame excuse. If that were true then who is to say that it was /your/ god that made it all?

Side: They Are Illusion
1 point

As a believer of objective principles, I do believe that objective good and bad exists.

Relativism, in my opinion, is a myth and nobody, not even relativists themselves, are consistent with it.

Side: They Exist

In my opinion they exist. Do not question me about this. Good people are all out there. Bad people are out there too. I mean not bad people but evil people who treat other people badly perhaps

Side: They Exist

Sure. Doing 'good' is doing what you feel is morally or ethically right. Doing 'evil' is the opposite. Sure, 'good' and 'evil' are pretty much labels, because the concepts could easily be known as 'hugra' and 'lavi' (made those up..). But the idea is the same.

Side: They Exist
0 points

As long as we discuss this argument, good and evil must exist.

Side: They Exist
1 point

I mean the concept of good and evil. Of course they exist as words, but are they actual forces.

Side: They Are Illusion
0 points

Do you ever see a debate in existence of flying spaghetti?

I don't think so!

Do you ever see a debate about true or false in harry poter's story?

Side: They Exist
1 point

What does that even mean? If you can't use words that make sense, please don't post on this debate.

Side: They Are Illusion
aru37456(65) Disputed
1 point

You are the one who doesn't understand the meanings.

You can't make sense on your refutation.

Side: They Exist
aru37456(65) Disputed
1 point

Good vs evil must exist,

Otherwise human civilization won't discuss it since existence of human being.

Side: They Exist
aru37456(65) Disputed
1 point

Do you know philosophical reasoning ?

epistemology ?

ontology ?

Side: They Exist

I think they exist, but not naturally.

Side: They Are Illusion
1 point

Why ?

Side: They Exist
2 points

because in nature how do you define good and evil? i think there are evil actions only done by humans, nothing natural is evil, in a balanced system how can anything be considered good or bad

Side: They Are Illusion
2 points

Good and evil exist insofar as people say they exist. However, that is all they are. Unproven assertions.

Side: They Are Illusion
2 points

It depends on the persons point of view.Most people might think justin bieber is evil some they may treat him as a god.

Side: They Are Illusion
2 points

Good and evil are only concepts. They do not exist in nature. They were created by humans, for humans. The natural world doesn't adhere to the "laws" of good and evil. You don't see animals going around prosecuting each other for killing, do you? I think not. If killing is evil then it shouldn't be done in nature but it is.

Side: They Are Illusion
2 points

No, they don't exist. Even morality doesn't exist. Humans made it all up to have more control over their respective societies.

Side: They Are Illusion
1 point

They do not exist. Simply concepts in our minds and nowhere else.

Side: They Are Illusion

They exist as much as superheroes exist.

They are only in the mind.

Side: They Are Illusion