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Frozen driver Gorsuch
Debate Score:26
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Frozen driver v Gorsuch

Hello:


The case at hand is that of Alphonse Maddin, a truck driver for TransAm. The brakes on Maddin’s trailer locked up on a subzero January night, and he called for help from TransAm’s road service. They told him to wait, and he did — for two hours, despite discovering that the heat in his truck cab was broken. When he was woken by a phone call, he had a numb torso and couldn’t feel his feet.


Maddin called back TransAm’s road service, who told him to “hang in there.” He waited 30 more minutes. Then, he unhitched his broken trailer and drove off seeking help. About fifteen minutes later, when the repair truck finally arrived, Maddin drove back to meet it.

TransAm fired him for abandoning his trailer, and Maddin filed a complaint with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the case wound up before Judge Gorsuch.


So, did Gorsuch support the little guy, or did he support the corporation??? You know, of course, don't you?  Who SHOULD have been supported?


excon

Frozen driver

Side Score: 14
VS.

Gorsuch

Side Score: 12
4 points

When the drivers safety and life is in jeopardy he has every right to remove himself from that situation. Yes, in the strictest sense he abandoned his trailer but it was only after he waited a reasonable amount of time at risk to his own personal being that he did so. He then drove back to meet the person who finally showed up to remedy the situation so I would back the driver completely. Was the company expecting him to freeze to death for some stupid trailer? Talk about a lawsuit then.

Side: Frozen driver
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Excellent nonsense Progressive but what does that have to do with Neil Gorsuch ?

Side: Gorsuch
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

The case at hand is that of Alphonse Maddin, a truck driver for TransAm. The brakes on Maddin’s trailer locked up on a subzero January night, and he called for help from TransAm’s road service. They told him to wait, and he did — for two hours, despite discovering that the heat in his truck cab was broken. When he was woken by a phone call, he had a numb torso and couldn’t feel his feet.

Maddin called back TransAm’s road service, who told him to “hang in there.” He waited 30 more minutes. Then, he unhitched his broken trailer and drove off seeking help. About fifteen minutes later, when the repair truck finally arrived, Maddin drove back to meet it.

Neil Gorsuch had something to do with the truck driver's heat being broken ?

Side: Gorsuch
Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

Neil Gorsuch had something to do with the truck driver's heat being broken ?

Exactly where did I say they did?

Side: Frozen driver
2 points

The driver went "above and beyond" his responsibility. Had he developed frostbite, or worse, the company would have, likely, been sued! They should have give him a commendation for doing his best! I wonder what the "cargo" was that was so important that the driver should risk his life for?? Possibly a shipment of drugs? Hidden in a harmless manifest?? If it wasn't searched it should have been!

Side: Frozen driver
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Trucks carried 67 percent of the freight tonnage moved in the United States in 2011, according to the American Trucking Associations (ATA). With industry relying this heavily on motor carrier transport, changes in the trucking industry can have major ramifications for shippers.

One motor carrier concern shippers need to be aware of is truck-related regulation and legislation. Many of those government policies could influence how shippers and their motor carriers do business together.

Two recent Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiatives pose possible challenges for shippers: the phase-in of the safety monitoring system known as CSA (Compliance, Safety, Accountability), and the implementation of new Hours-of-Service (HOS) regulations for drivers. The freight world is also debating some other potential initiatives that could influence the cost and ease of moving freight.

Al of Road Island you are completely unaware of government involvement in the trucking industry and it's Progressives like yourself that want to shut it down !

Side: Gorsuch
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

What has that got to do with a Supreme Court nominee Al ?

Side: Gorsuch
2 points

That's a numb question.

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Side: Frozen driver

One thing for sure is I would never go by only your cherry picked details of what happened, and would like you to post Gorsuch's decision remarks so we can all get both sides of the story.

Judges are suppose to follow the law as written, not let emotions, politics, or personal opinions bias the verdict.

Side: Gorsuch
excon(18262) Clarified
1 point

Hello F:

Sure..

Gorsuch argued federal law only protects drivers from being fired if they refuse to operate a truck if they would violate a safety regulation, due to bad weather or if they’re too ill to drive. Maddin’s case, Gorsuch argued, did not fit that criteria, because Maddin was asking his carrier to allow him to operate to protect his safety, rather than refusing to operate and violate a reg. “It might be fair to ask whether TransAm’s decision was a wise or kind one. But it’s not our job to answer questions like that. Our only task is to decide whether the decision was an illegal one.”

excon

Side: Frozen driver
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Progressive give us all we need to know about the trucking industry since you are schooled on that said industry !

Side: Frozen driver
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Trucks carried 67 percent of the freight tonnage moved in the United States in 2011, according to the American Trucking Associations (ATA). With industry relying this heavily on motor carrier transport, changes in the trucking industry can have major ramifications for shippers.

One motor carrier concern shippers need to be aware of is truck-related regulation and legislation. Many of those government policies could influence how shippers and their motor carriers do business together.

Two recent Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiatives pose possible challenges for shippers: the phase-in of the safety monitoring system known as CSA (Compliance, Safety, Accountability), and the implementation of new Hours-of-Service (HOS) regulations for drivers. The freight world is also debating some other potential initiatives that could influence the cost and ease of moving freight.

The Progressive fails to notice the government regs in the trucking industry. Your Google not working Progressive ?

Side: Frozen driver
1 point

Gorsuch has what to do when the trucking industry there Progressive ? Easy to spot you are a Progressive because blame needs to laid on somebody but not the trucking industry LMMFAO !

Side: Gorsuch
excon(18262) Clarified
1 point

Hello again, outlaw:

I dunno what's so hard... There was this thing called a LAWSUIT, and Judge Gorsuch WAS involved in it. Try to keep up..

excon

Side: Frozen driver
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Had nothing to do with the trucking outfit and Gorsuch is responsible for the heat in the truck LMMFAO !

Side: Frozen driver