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Pro Gay Rights Against Gay Rights
Debate Score:123
Arguments:127
Total Votes:136
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Gay Rights (In the Bible)

This is a debate on whether or not people think gay rights should be allowed, and how The Bible addresses gay rights.

Pro Gay Rights

Side Score: 70
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Against Gay Rights

Side Score: 53
2 points

Sinners will be judged by God, not by people before they die.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

We can avoid extending the same rights to sinful acts as are enjoyed by good ones without judging the people enacting them.

Side: Against Gay Rights
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

No you can't, denying rights is purely a judgement call. You think some sinners should have rights and other sinners shouldn't.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
0 points

If you deem a person unworthy of the same civil and constitutional rights as yourself, you are indeed judging them. You are not only saying "your acts are sinful", but you are saying that they as a person are not worthy of equality.

On top of that, you are also determining which sinful acts are worthy of extra punishment, which is another form of judgement.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
2 points

Homosexuals simply love people of the same sex. Live and let live my friends.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

Well, the bible definitely doesn't have any problem with lesbian rights.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

The bible does say that homosexuals won't inherit the kingdom of God.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

Could you provide the verse you are referring to, please? If I remember correctly it specifically refers to gay men.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

i am curious, is there a passage in the bible referring the relationship of 2 women?

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

In some ways even to answer the question being arrogantly judgmental. Who am I to judge the sexual orientation of anyone? Gay men and woman were born with this deviant 'condition' and should enjoy exactly the same rights as every other citizen of their respective countries. There are other groups whose sexual alignment diverges from what is natural and the accepted norm. These sexual variants include those with little or no sex drive one way or the other and bi-sexual's'. These groups of people should have equal rights regardless of the backward scriptures of a bronze age book which was written in good faith by clever, well meaning, but nevertheless, mere mortals.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

The teachings contained in the Bible reflect the values of the culture in which the authors lived. Cultures evolve over time. Morals embodied in religious doctrine tend to evolve much more slowly than cultural based morals. The inevitable result is a widening moral divide. Apparently, ignorance of this process can lead to rants and name calling from the uninformed masses.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

The teachings of the Bible were written to intentionally be true and relevant for any generation in any time and culture.

Side: Against Gay Rights
mystar(11) Disputed
2 points

The parts about a flat earth, stoning disobedient kids, and slavery failed horribly at that.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

That is totally your opinion. Christians believe the entire Bible is inspired by God because that is what it tells us. It is not written by authors with their own cultural beliefs of the times.

Side: Against Gay Rights
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

Christians believe the entire Bible is inspired by God because that is what it tells us.

And this is your opinion.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

It was indeed written by authors, Christians just believe those authors were divinely inspired.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

The Bible condones slavery in multiple passages, so the same argument can be made for slavery. The text is out of date on the cultural side. This doesn't mean you have to throw it all out! That would be a reactive thing to do. For example, I disagree with Freud on a number of issues but I would never throw his books out. Some is valuable theology, and some is not so valuable. You can see Jesus following this logic in his rejection of specific laws in the Old Testament. Jesus rejected the sabbath and even told his followers to disobey it. He also rejected "eye for an eye", and openly altering the law into "turn the other cheek." He wanted to write the law in hearts instead of on stone, which is a more moldable attitude.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

Jesus never rejected the laws of the old Testament, he fulfilled many of them for us in taking our punishment.

Side: Against Gay Rights
14giraffes(87) Disputed
1 point

Jesus rejected the sabbath and even told his followers to disobey it. He also rejected "eye for an eye", and openly altering the law into "turn the other cheek." He wanted to write the law in hearts instead of on stone, which is a more moldable attitude.

One key passage that shows his attitude clearly is in John's gospel. When he committed blasphemy, and when they went to stone him he made clear that human beings are equal to God, not just himself….

John 10:33

The Jews answered, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you, but for blasphemy, because you, though only a human being, are making yourself God.” Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods'? If those to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’—and the scripture cannot be annulled.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
mystar(11) Disputed
1 point

We don't care what Jesus said. There is little evidence he even existed.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

There are passages in the Bible that do not condone homosexual acts between men. I have not seen anything specific to women. However, the Bible instructs us not to judge as it is not our job. In fact, it states that being judgmental will only cause more trouble in the end.

Gay rights are a facet of human rights. Human rights are of the utmost importance. The Bible instructs us to love our neighbor. It instructs us to honor others above ourselves. Any true Christian who follows the Bible is not judgmental, does not harm others, does not oppress others, and helps others, regardless of who they are or what they believe in.

So to all the fake Christians out there... Start getting real. You have no right to judge, but if you choose to, you will be judged harshly. Also, if you choose to judge and do it intentionally, stop claiming that you are a Christian. Do I believe in homosexuality? No, that is why I am straight. Do I believe that people are allowed to have sexual relations with whoever they choose? That is up to them, not me.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

They should have rights, they're also humans in case you forgot. They should be allowed to do what they want as long they don't hurt other people or break laws. The Bible didn't mention that being gay is prohibited. Who are we to judge? We're not God. One day we're all gonna die, whether you're straight or not we will all get judged by God.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

Since the Bible says to love everybody, this order gives the O.K. to Gay Rights.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

Since the word "Gay" is not in the Bible nor in the U.S. Constitution, only contemporary standards in society can apply.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

We are all humans whether we gave a penis or a fucking vagina it doesn't matter if somone is attracted to another person sexualy who gives a damn not everyone is gay so the population will be fine anyway the world is already overpopulated gay marrige would even help that. Why is it anyone's buisness what somone does in there own home especially if it hurts no one. Stop labeling people as bad because of who they like.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

Yes homosexuals may live a lifestyle that not all people are comfortable with, myself including, but homosexuals are still people. The bible can't change that. They deserve to have rights just as much as heterosexuals. Someone's sexuality should not define anything about them other than that- their sexuality. It's absolutely ridiculous that a homosexual should be denied rights because of their sexuality. They aren't doing any harm and already have faced so many struggles with being targeted and such for no acceptable reason. They deserve rights, end of story. If you say they don't, that's the same as saying as a people, we don't deserve rights either.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

Gay rights are immensely important and should go ahead regardless of some evil, twisted millennia old book.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
Name(18) Disputed
2 points

The Bible is neither evil nor twisted and there are many proofs against gay rights outside of religion.

Side: Against Gay Rights
1 point

You clearly haven't read Leviticus or Deuteronomy have you? There are no proofs of it outside of religion.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
0 points

Can you cite some "proofs against gay rights outside of religion"?

Side: Pro Gay Rights
jakaiiguan(3) Disputed
1 point

i would like to contest one of your point here sir:

for my situation i am not particularly religious or atheist, but the use of your sentence grinded my gears. The Bible book is not accurately evil, i mean as an example, when you are cooking yourself a delicious meal and at the time you use knife and cut yourself, it is ridiculous to say that the knife is evil and intended to harm you. The bible is a book, a tool for spiritual need which as been rewritten several times during our history

Side: Against Gay Rights
2 points

As current lack of scientific research is present to the cause of homosexuality, I currently am against homosexual rights. I believe the platform that homosexuality rights is being advocated on is purely a sympathetic humanitarian ideology which is illogical when the behavior is not even scientifically understood. Homosexuality is clearly unnatural in the sense, that within the human specie, there are only two genders naturally created and are created with parts that when combined have a sexual purpose. Thus, the only remaining purpose for homosexuality then, would be a neurological purpose... The need, satisfaction, or mental security felt when loved but, even that purpose is fulfilled between opposite genders! That leaves the unanswered questions of what happens in the human brain that causes one gender to be attracted to the same? What chemical processes occur when this behavior feels natural to a homosexual? As homosexuals claim that the way they think and feel is a result form how they were born, then common sense would dictate that something different happens during the maturing stages to the brain of an embryo to a born baby that causes this. With that being said, why hasn't any medical institute, university, or official raised the question like bipolarity, or any other neurological disorders, could homosexuality be caused by a chemical imbalance or by a neurological deformity during the stages of creation from conception to birth and is it something that can be corrected through a medical procedure or medicine? As for what the bible might entail, I could care less because the bible itself was written by men, not God himself.

Side: Against Gay Rights
14giraffes(87) Disputed
1 point

Look at the hands of gay males and you will see scientific evidence of the cause of homosexuality. They have feminine hands. Males are naturally both male and female. A man has a sketched feminine side of his body with nipples and breasts. A women also has a sketch masculine side with the clitoris. Freud theorized that the natural state was bisexual and that we learned to be attracted to whichever sex when we were growing up. Most all the scientific evidence points to genetics.

world renowned evolutionary biologist explains the gay gene's survival
Side: Pro Gay Rights
norcalkev(31) Disputed
1 point

Without watching the video, I can already discredit any of it's said evidence because evolution is nothing but a theory! I'm looking for hard evidence with scientific models demonstrating the process, not some old hypothetical theorist.

Side: Against Gay Rights
1 point

1. Homosexuality is clearly natural, as it occurs within nature. That is, after all, the definition of natural.

2. There is much about human behavior that we do not understand, but how is that a justification for denying individuals who partake in said behavior equal rights? None of your post explained any sort of basis for opposing giving homosexuals the same civil rights as the rest of us.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
Name(18) Disputed
2 points

There is also rape, murder, and theft in nature. Just because animals do it, does not mean it is fine for a human.

Side: Against Gay Rights
norcalkev(31) Disputed
1 point

You're definition of natural is skewered... There is a different nature within every species of animals and there is no universal naturalism. Also, you're not clear in what kind of rights you're accusing me to be against... You mention equal rights and civil rights which are two different things. The publisher did not mention any specific rights to argue for or against so you can't just assume I'm against all or one or the other but, to clarify, I'm not against equal human rights between hetero and homosexuals. It's civil rights that I'm against as civil rights pertain more to the civilization of a community and it's laws which are supposed to be created for the safety and peace of a community.

Side: Against Gay Rights
daver(1771) Clarified
1 point

There this internet search engine you seem to be aware of. Its to be found at (Google.com). It can be used to find information such as this.

Gender Assignment

Sexual Orientation

I offer two of thousands of links to widely published science on the subject of homosexuality.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
norcalkev(31) Disputed
1 point

Daver, I'm aware of the internet but, I'm not aware of any valid scientific information. There are theories and laws and at this point in history, any scientific information on homosexuality in based on a theory, thanks.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
Name(18) Disputed
0 points

Any information can be put online, be it true or false, and science can often be wrong. There was once science for a geocentric universe and the existence of only four elements.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

Gay rights is a vague statement. We all have certain rights just for being living human beings. I believe Gays deserve every bit as much rights to live life as any person. This does not mean they have rights to change our marriage laws, etc. They have become the poster child for special treatment only because their unnatural lifestyles are spoken of in the Bible. This is why Gays get all the attention and media coverage to their plight in life. No other minority groups get anywhere near the same mention and special rights as Gays. Do men who want 20 wives get any coverage in the news or our marriage laws?

The problem being that anti Christian Bigots on the Left must spend their lives demonizing the Bible and what it stands for. It is no secret why Abortion, Feminism and Homosexuality has been at the fore front of our politics and culture for decades. The so called Progressive movement has been doing all in it's power to twist and ridicule the Bible. Homosexuality is their current tool to do so. If the Left indoctrinates people to believe that up is down or that Homosexuality is normal, they can then water down the truths of the Bible. This is their goal and explains why a couple percent of the people get CONSTANT MENTION in our media.

Side: Against Gay Rights
2 points

Your statements about the goals of liberal progressives are 100% correct, almost. Their tactic is to discredit all religion, as part of changing American society into their socialist utopia. :-)

Side: Against Gay Rights
1 point

Come on Daver, you aren't that ignorant! Most liberals are religious, liberalism does not inherently dislike religion, and if one is liberal they do not want to turn anything into socialism.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

Remember Daver, Genericname did not call you an ignorant person.... he just said you aren't that ignorant are you? LOL, these hypocrites are something amazing.

Side: Against Gay Rights
Stickers(1037) Clarified
1 point

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I really hope that you're being sarcastic .

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

Except via Due Process and Equal Protections, they do have the right to change our marriage laws, that way they get equal treatment.

They do not have a lifestyle, they have a sexual orientation.

Many people have given you evidence that homosexuality exists in nature.

People working for civil equality for gays are not bent on demonizing Christians.

Most progressives are Christian (most people of any political stripe in this country are).

The left is not indoctrinating people to think it is normal, they simply have opinions that differ from yours. Their goal has nothing to do with the bible, it has to do with civil equality for others.

Side: Pro Gay Rights

The Bible is clear on Homosexuality being a sin and a perversion. The Bible does not speak to anyone's special rights. No group gets special mention like Gays get in our Liberal media.

Side: Against Gay Rights
1 point

"No group gets special mention like Gays get in our Liberal media" You mean the special mention to be treated the exact same as everyone else?

Side: Pro Gay Rights
1 point

I am not saying the bible is bad because that would clearly be an offensive remark towards somone besides which I'm most cases i belive is wrong however it is no ones matter whether you like somone the same or different as you. Imagine a world where everyone was gay and you were different. How would you feel if you were called a sinner because of how you were born or forced to marry somone who you are not at all attracted to

Side: Against Gay Rights
0 points

I don't believe in homosexuality. These people that say they were born gay, weren't. What happened is that they were either molested as a child or when they were infants their parents would let anyone hold them and those who held the new infant may have passed on a spirit to the child, as Satan does pray on young ones. So, Lesbians, Gays, Homosexuals, Transies, you were not born that way, you just have a homosexual spirit on you, the Sucubus and Incubus. There is a reason why women and man were created and there is also a reason why a woman and a man can produce a child during sexual intercourse. Those who teach homosexuality is okay and The Most High loves you, are lying to you because G-d hates sinners (Psalm 11:5, Psalm 5:5-6), he hates homosexuality and it's an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), which is worse than sin.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

{Even though this is talking about adultery, it is clearly saying that a man should have his own wife and woman should have her own husband. It does not say to avoid fornication let a man have his own husband or wife, and let every woman have her own husband or wife.}

Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.

Side: Against Gay Rights
daver(1771) Disputed
2 points

The teachings contained in the Bible reflect the values of the culture in which the authors lived. Cultures evolve over time. Morals embodied in religious doctrine tend to evolve much more slowly than cultural based morals. The inevitable result is a widening moral divide. Apparently, ignorance of this process can lead to rants and name calling from the uninformed masses.

Side: Pro Gay Rights
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
1 point

That's the problem. People change Scriptural doctrine to match up with modern day. That can't be done because it's adding and taking away from the The Most High's Word. Those who teach homosexuality is okay are false prophets. If you are a believer in The Most High and you believe homosexuality is okay, your living a lie. Every word of The Most High is true. Those who see what Scripture says, and knows what it says, and chose to ignore it, are wicked.

Side: Against Gay Rights
norcalkev(31) Disputed
1 point

As I said to another dispute, evolution in any context is a theory.

Side: Against Gay Rights