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Keep bringing em in Enough is enough
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Well, regardless of what ''we the people'' think the ''authorities'' are going to keep bringing them in anyway.

Unfortunately Donald Trump has had his wings clipped by the ''authorities'' and he is clearly running out of steam with his declared determination to resolve many issues, including illegal immigration being watered down.

The issue of whether or not the quoted statistics on sex crimes committed by illegals are correct is a red herring as all crimes, including those of a sexual nature, are significantly higher with the presence of the illegals.

Side: Keep bringing em in
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It's estimated there are 11.1 illegal immigrants in the US.

As an average, that's 231,250 in each state (only counting the lower 48 states).

Let's say there's 25,000 in Oregon (as places like LA and NYC would have much more than the average).

969 criminals out of 25,000 is 3.876%

Around 30% of the US adult population has a police record.

Note that the article you linked says "969 foreign nationals were in the state’s prison system". Foreign nationals are not necessarily illegal immigrants.

Personally, I believe anyone should be allowed to live anywhere in the world, even if they have a criminal record-as they would have already served their prison sentence.

Side: Keep bringing em in
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People who commit crimes need to be either locked up or sent back home.

But with that said, let's put the statistics in perspective. It says that's looking at the 969 illegals who are convicts. The population of illegals in Oregon is estimated at 130,000. http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/ unauthorized-immigrants/

So you've just proven less than 1% of illegals (.74538462) commit crimes serious enough to land them in jail. Heck, they behave better than the US citizen population.

The other thing is it could just be the final trigger that makes the state lock them away is when they do the sex crimes. It's like if they only chose to arrest illegals who rob convenience stores the stats would say almost all illegals in prison rob convenience stores.

Side: Keep bringing em in
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Hello again, bront:

Irrespective of what these "statistics" say, there's a certain segment of society who BELIEVE that other segments of society are prone to criminal activity.. You're one of those... If you weren't talking about Mexicans, you'd be talking about black people.. I've read it all before.

To BELIEVE that a group of people are inherently PRONE to criminal activity, is the personification of RACISM..

excon

Side: Keep bringing em in
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Hello bront:

I've scoured the internet and I can't find the study in question.. Oh, I see people TALKING about the study, but nobody can link me to it..

Can you?

excon

Side: Enough is enough
excon(18261) Disputed
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Hello bront,

So you couldn't find the report either. Hmmm.

excon

Side: Enough is enough
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Of 969 illegals held in jail for that one month, 461 have been charged with the three sex crimes.

969/2= 484.5 Not 461. So no, less than half have been charged according to the article, not literally half.

Do you have different numbers somewhere else?

Side: Enough is enough
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"Enough is enough!" I agree, I wish anyone with an axe to grind couldn't put ANYTHING they wish on the internet, so many idiots believe whatever they see ... as long as it is what THEY want to see.

Maimondes (a Jewish Rabbi) said: Don't believe everything you read in books, for, a person that will lie with their mouth will not hesitate to do so with their pen." That was long before the internet, today, I'm sure, he would include the keyboard! I have to disrespect those who search www. land for "truth" that agrees with what they think! Those same idiots reject anything that they don't want to see ... it's easy, isn't it, Bront???? You can get much of the same on Faux News ... with a capital BS!

Side: Enough is enough