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Debate Score:29
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Was the event of 9/11 America's fault?

For some time now I have been thinking about the events that have lead up to 9/11. I can't seem to find an entirely legitimate source that explains what America wanted with the Middle East. 

Do you think 9/11 is America's fault?

Yes

Side Score: 15
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No

Side Score: 14
1 point

I think the U.S. is partially accountable for the 9/11 attacks. Obviously, the extremists themselves are accountable as well and this is in no way a dismissal of that. However, U.S. actions abroad created a culture in which anti-Westernism and anti-Americanism were easy agendas to push. Extremism and terrorism do not require that their targets be popularly perceived as antagonistic threats, but it certainly does help.

Side: Yes
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

I think the U.S. is partially accountable for the 9/11 attacks.

Your correct, we are the targets chosen by radical Islamic terrorists because we where in the way of their attacks on freedom.

U.S. actions abroad created a culture in which anti-Westernism and anti-Americanism were easy agendas to push.

AS IF, the USA wrote the Quran. AS IF, the Shea / Sunni wars have not raged for hundreds of years.

Extremism and terrorism do not require that their targets be popularly perceived as antagonistic threats, but it certainly does help.

AS IF, we should let them have their caliphate, and hope they stop "Over There"

Side: No
3 points

Your correct, we are the targets chosen by radical Islamic terrorists because we where in the way of their attacks on freedom.

Why are they attacking us in the first place?

AS IF, the USA wrote the Quran. AS IF, the Shea / Sunni wars have not raged for hundreds of years.

I believe Jace is referring to America's policy of meddling with other countries affairs and changing their ways of life.

Side: Yes
Jace(5222) Disputed
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Your correct, we are the targets chosen by radical Islamic terrorists because we where in the way of their attacks on freedom.

We were chosen as targets by radical Islamic terrorists because we are the most powerful Western nation in the world with a very far reaching history of invading countries in the Middle East with our military and otherwise bypassing their national and regional autonomy. We have stood in violation of freedom in that region in our own way, and it is that very violation that has allowed extremists to obtain the power and resources necessary to carry out attacks like this one.

AS IF, the USA wrote the Quran. AS IF, the Shea / Sunni wars have not raged for hundreds of years.

They have, and notably until our intervention in the region we were not subject to attacks like that of 9/11. We did not create the original conflict, but our heavy-handed actions in the region altered the landscape of that conflict and made us a target.

AS IF, we should let them have their caliphate, and hope they stop "Over There"

I never said that we should, nor is this remotely responsive to my point that being viewed as an antagonist makes us unsympathetic and facilitates support for attacks against us.

Side: Yes
daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

You say:

U.S. actions abroad created a culture in which anti-Westernism and anti-Americanism were easy agendas to push.

I say : We all know that middle eastern cultures were primitive and violent hundreds of years before the US even existed.

Extremism and terrorism do not require that their targets be popularly perceived as antagonistic threats, but it certainly does help.

Are you then saying we should not be involved in the middle east, because they can get mad at us a do and 9/11?

Side: No
Jace(5222) Disputed
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We all know that middle eastern cultures were primitive and violent hundreds of years before the US even existed

The same could arguably be said of Europe as well, but that is neither here nor there with regards to my argument. Whatever the Middle East used to be when the U.S. began its interventions it still stands as a matter of fact that the U.S. intervened. This intervention has made pushing an anti-American agenda rather easy.

Are you then saying we should not be involved in the middle east, because they can get mad at us a do and 9/11?

No.

Side: Yes

America should have stayed out of the Middle East during Desert Storm. It was a revenge for America interfering in their land.

Side: Yes
2 points

In the 13th century, the Persians were attacked by Genghis Khan and the Mongols. Two events precipitated that war. One was the Persians attacking a Mongol caravan, claiming it contained spies, and then refusing to give the Mongols their booty back. The other was when Shah Ala ad-Din Muhammad had a group of three Mongolian ambassadors attacked (one was beheaded).

Did these events trigger the war? Probably. Did these events somehow make the bloody massacre of hundreds of thousands of Persians their own fault? No. The Mongols are the ones who chose to brutally slaughter innocents.

Side: No
1 point

In my opinion, no. Being part of the cause does not necessitate fault.

Side: No
TheDemocrat(18) Disputed
2 points

Causation is a key component of "fault". What other criteria is there that the USA doesn't meet?

Side: Yes
Stickers(1037) Clarified
1 point

Causation is a key component of "fault".

Sort of, "fault" implies "cause", but not vice-versa, in the same way that "duck" implies "bird", but "bird" doesn't imply "duck".

You could tell a doctor to administer type B blood to a type A patient who is incapacitated due to blood loss. The doctor was at least part of the cause of death, as was the donor, etc

What other criteria is there that the USA doesn't meet?

For fault, or for cause?

We seem to agree on what the "cause" (the tangible component) already is, and "fault" is just a matter of opinion.

Side: Yes
1 point

No. The 'deliberate' slaughter of over 3000 innocent civilians and the unprecedented destruction was the act of deranged religious zealots whose psychopathic hated for the west was the exclusive reason for 9/11. The U.S, had, and continues to attempt to stabilize the various ''hysterical'' dictatorships of the Middle East and give some degree of democracy to the long suffering people of that region. That area is the biggest open air lunatic asylum in the world and the task of achieving even a vestige of normality was beyond the capabilities of the United States and it's allies. I find this question, and some of it's answers amusing as I see many rants about the ''unacceptable inaction of the weak, indecisive President Obama'' when he fails to send in the Marines and the B52s every time the I.S. filth carry out one of their atrocities. America is damned if they react to aggression and damned if they don't.

Side: No

No. Just no.

Side: No