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APHG- Syrian Refugees
"President Obama is sticking by his promise that the U.S. will take some 10,000 refugees in 2016, and even more in 2017 despite the Paris attack." ~Washington Post
If only there was a country who was founded upon the idea of fleeing sectarian violence and seeking a home that would allow you religious liberty and freedom, preferably one who enshrines such concepts in a sort of document, perhaps a constitution, that protected those rights and prevented discrimination based upon religion..
Realistically lets assess the realities of our system, our social networks can only handle so much strain. Looking at how European social democracies are already being put under massive strain by the influx of Syrian refugees why don't we actually fix the root of the problem. We should be supporting Assad, he is an established power and is far better than the opposition.
Probably because it was Assad's horrid abuse of power that led to the civil war in which the Islamic State was able to truly thrive (along with the instability in Iraq). If our actions of propping up Middle Eastern dictators has led to the current situation with Iraq, IS, Iran, etc, then why should we continue to do it?
If Syrian refugees come to the U.S they are thoroughly background checked so there probably wont be any problems with terrorists groups coming in, but their might be a possibility. In the past the U.S has taken may refugees and know how to deal with them and they will probably help the economy in the prospect of a bigger work force.
We don't need a bigger workforce. We already have a large enough base for low and medium skilled workers. Outsourcing has left millions of Americans without decent paying jobs and you want to bring in MORE?
Always smart to start a debate with an attempt at a personal insult.
And if there haven't been any Syrian refugees that have infiltrated that vetting process in about 5 years, then on what basis are you making the implication that continuing to let them in will cause us to let in terrorists?
Consider this: the vetting process takes 18 months minimum. The pipeline of refugees from Syria is not full of 10,000 people moving through the process. Yet our president is pushing for that number in 2016. If we begin now we can't finish that number by next year. We already know our vetting process failed to stop the terrorists in CA. It seems unwise to expect it to do 10,000 people in less time than it currently takes. We have already been told that the majority of these people do not have the required I.D. history to be properly vetted. Do you see the problem in fulfilling Obama's order?
Consider this: the vetting process takes 18 months minimum. The pipeline of refugees from Syria is not full of 10,000 people moving through the process. Yet our president is pushing for that number in 2016. If we begin now we can't finish that number by next year. We already know our vetting process failed to stop the terrorists in CA.
Full stop. No, we don't, because that was the K1 Visa, not the Syrian Asylum vetting process. Two entirely different vetting processes.
It seems unwise to expect it to do 10,000 people in less time than it currently takes. We have already been told that the majority of these people do not have the required I.D. history to be properly vetted. Do you see the problem in fulfilling Obama's order?
Yes I do, but the logical conclusion is that the number who will make it through the process will be less than 10,000, not that people will be fast-tracked through this process.
There rests my concern. When you factor in Obama's well earned reputation for lying, subverting and going around things that get in his way, there seems a great likelihood that some will be passed without proper I.D., due to the command chain being unwilling to go against direct orders from the WH. I do not expect that Obama will back off that 10,000 number.
Except Obama has no direct role within the vetting process, so I fail to see how his incompetence has any relevance. This idea that Obama is somehow going to fast-track people is based on partisanship clouding judgement: nothing more.
You may believe whatever you like, but remember this:
Obama is supposed to have no direct authority over the IRS, Or the NSA, but they some how did just what he needed. Homeland Security has a leader who reports to guess who. The head of the DOJ works at the pleasure of guess who. Look more closely.
America should not allow Syrian refugees to come here. If we allow them to come here then, like ISIS said, they will come in to America and try to take control. If we allow refugees to come it will most likely increase terrorist attacks and violence.
the matter is that we are abandoning thousands of refugees to die in either the ocean or in Syria, and there are already ISIS supporters and trainees in this country, so they will get in this country anyways
While refugees bring the fear of terrorist attacks this fear is misguided because the agencies in the UN screen all the refugees and if they pass that screening then the different agencies desperately screen the candidates that want to come in. While it takes about 20 months to finish this process it is worth it because we would let refugees who need our help in and we would not have a fear after they had been screened.
The fear may be some what misguided but even with the screening process there is still a risk of having these people move into the country and missing something about a person and still allowing them into our country.
Are you saying we should automatically screen 10,000 refugees? Like you said the process takes about 20 months, so we should just sit here and just hope we didn't let a member of ISIS in?
The patterns are not following Ravenstein's laws of migration, so we should give the refugees opportunities. President Obama says the “overwhelming numbers” of Syrian refugees referred to the U.S. by the U.N. have been women and children. That’s true — 67 percent have been children under the age of 12 and women, according to State Department data.
If we say that women are children are safe to let in they will be used as a "Trojan horse". Terrorists are people that will go to the point of killing themselves for their religion, and I am pretty sure they won't stop just because the people they are letting in are women.
I think you are underestimating their women supporters. Just because they are a different gender does not mean they do not have the means and the capability to do just as much damage.
Children are dying or are bystanders as they watch terrorists murder their families and missiles tear apart what used to be their homes. Thousands could be saved if they just have the medical attention that they deserve, which can be obtained in the United States. No one should have to go through this in their lifetime. No, we shouldn't let TERRORISTS into our country, but innocent people whose life depends on our actions should be helped.
Of course we shouldn't let terrorists come in, but how can we distinguish who is a terrorist and who is not when they are disguising themselves as Syrian refugees?
We already have terrorist cells in America, did you miss the San Bernardino issue? The refugees should come first instead of the fear that ISIS might possibly come into America.
While it's true the suffering is wrong. However, America needs to keep its people safe and prioritize Americans over these outsiders. If they become Radicalized American lives can and will be lost.
Donald is that you? ANDDDDD it's not like 99% of the people coming in are trying to kill Americans. They just need somewhere to live their life and be safe.
Other countries have already taken in over a million refugees and the conditions are only getting worse by taking in the it would show that we are willing to help these people.
We should not be willing to help them, ISIS is now in Syria and will most likely find a way to act as a refugee to get into America to cause havoc on our citizens and government.
There are other ways to help them. Taking them in is not the only way to help them. We could send people over to Syria to help them rather then letting them in. Taking refugees in is not the only way to help them.
There is other ways of helping people besides taking them in. You risk terrorism by letting them in, but instead we could send them supplies. We pay our farmers to not grow crops because of our surplus. If we did not pay the farmers we could use that money to help send them the supplies.
One factor to consider, that countries, for example in Europe, are trying to refuse or are refusing to accept Syrian refugees is because they are scared that the many Syrian refugees that are coming into those country, the mass majority of Syrians with the different ethnicity and religion, will affect, possibly dominate and convert those different European countries that compromise of mainly one ethnic background. However, US is a state which is a multi-ethnic and already has people with different ethnic backgrounds and religions which makes it alright for US to accept the Syrian refugees, and also because we can offer asylum to those and protect them.
While this is true you cannot refuse that terrorists have said that they want to come in. It is because of this mixed western culture that they want to destroy us.
Well you have to look at the big perspective, Syrians want to be saved by persecution and hunger and find a place to call home. If they were saved by a country they would want to give back, not try to kill the people who helped them.
There is a difference between allowing immigrants to have the American dream and allowing refugees the millions of dollars of free services that our country provides for them. How can small children and women become independent and not dependent on government services in this case?
Syrian refugees are suffering persecution and death. If countries that have little to offer like Jordan, Turkey, and Lebanon than how can a country as wealthy as America turn its back on people in need?
Instead of the U.S letting refugees in we could give money to those countries next to Syria so the refugees wouldn't have to travel very far, and that's not the U.S turning their back on the refugees.
If Syrian refugees come to the U.S they are thoroughly background checked so there probably wont be any problems with terrorists groups coming in, but their might be a possibility. In the past the U.S has taken may refugees and know how to deal with them and they will probably help the economy in the prospect of a bigger work force
How do you get crime records from a dictatorship? Dictators most likely are not going to give out records to the people they want to keep in their country.
The process of getting the background checks can take up to 24 months. What are we gonna do with the refugees while we wait for the background checks for 10,000 people?
Just think of how cold the winter is in America now. For the past week or so, we've had temperatures in the 50s, and it's gotten as low as the 30s. How badly do we complain and whine about how cold it is, and how we want to go home and go to sleep? Imagine if you had no bed to go to, no blankets to shield yourself from the cold with, no space heater or thermometer to change the setting? What if all you had was a shabby tent, and just one blanket to share with your entire family? Such a shame that this is a reality for the majority of the Syrians...
alrighty, these Syrians should be brought into this country due to this country being founded upon immigrants, and to just abandon thousands of refugees is inhumane and unjust, such an example is how 31 states are not going to allow any Syrians in.
There are 13.5 million people in Syria are in need of assistance. While ISIS is a concern, we have to think about the millions of people being displaced and killed in the Syrian civil war. More than 320,000 have been killed, and 12,000 have been children.
Even if we put the concern for ISIS aside, our economy isn't doing so good right now. How are we going to get the money to help these people coming in?
I agree that they need assistance but how do we get the supplies and money to them if we are in debt with other foreign countries. According to the U.S. Treasury Department, at the end of August 2014, more than a third of the debt was owned by foreign countries and the largest foreign holders of U.S. debt were Mainland China and Japan.
Over 200,000 people have already died from the Syrian Civil War. It is never going to stop if we do not do something. The House Speaker, Paul Ryan, stated that he and his colleges are working hard to make sure that no terrorists come in with the 10,000 Syrian refugees.
Refugees bring in the opportunity for more terrorist attacks. The recent Paris attack had contributors from the ISIS group disguised as Syrian refugees.
It is also hard to check for the fake passports they are using to look like refugees. If we let greater amounts of Syrian refugees we cannot check for these passports.
If we let Syrian refugees in we have the risk of ISIS coming into the country. We can do more by sending them supplies and not have our country risk terrorism. It would also cost less for us to send supplies to them because the distance they travel is much less if it is to surrounding areas.
If we are allowing 10,000 people in are we really making that much of a difference? It makes more sense to just send then supplies then take a these people in and risk terrorism.
Syrian refugees could bring in different opportunities for middle eastern terrorist groups disguised as refugees. Isis in particular said that this is the perfect opprtunity to come into the United States and terrorize us.
Even though that's correct, how will US be able to identify those terrorist groups that infiltrate us, since they may be even disguised as Americans or even Americans who already have connections with those terrorist groups, it will take a long period of time to be able to identify those groups?
Even though that it is his top priority, shouldn't human nature allow those innocent Syrian refugees to escape those wars, since US is able to provide asylum?
If we let Syrian refugees come in then we are giving ISIS the chance to sneak in. They have already announced that they will sneak in with the refugees, so why risk it and let the refugees in?
While this is true that they have threatened that they will come in this could just be a open threat that they are using to play on our fear, it is our duty as human beings to help others especially what would you want from other countries if America were in this situation.
ISIS ,if we allow Syrian Refugees, will come with them. The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees. If they have already sent 4,000 gunman in if this is true who knows how many people they will send in with the 10,000 refugees. It is also bad because the Syrians can not speak English causing us to have to pay for them to be educated costing money. Rosetta Stone is expensive List Price: $499.00.
Yes but we can check the refugees history before letting them into our country.We can't just turn down thousands of people who just want another chance of living their lives.
Even if you check the refugees there is still a chance you miss something and then allow these people in the U.S. then you run the risk of potentially giving terrorist groups such as ISIS a way in to the country.
America should not allow Syrian refugees to come here. If we allow them to come here then, like ISIS said, they will come in to America and try to take control. If we allow refugees to come it will most likely increase terrorist attacks and violence.
This could be true but with background checks on each of the refugees, the safety of the U.S. would be the same. Also the majority of refugees are ACTUALLY refugees that need help.
I do not believe that it is safe for us to let these refugees in. The situation is heart breaking but we as a nation have to take precautions. You have ISIS operatives broadcasting that they have more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen smuggled into western countries with these refugees. ISIS has bombed Paris that has killed around 130 people, they had two suicide bombers detonating themselves in a marketplace in southern Beirut, Lebanon, killing 43 people, and numerous other attacks. You can not stop a group that is willing to die for their cause, and until they are stopped we can not take any risks.
Well at least you don't live in fear and the fact that you don't know where your next meal is coming from. Have you ever starved for the purpose that you don't have anything to eat?
If US can identify at least some refugees and bring them in, shouldn't they, because it is not like US can not defend itself if ISIS is truly imposing a threat, considering the military and technology advancements, since US has come a long way from histories of terrorist attacks.
Unlike the principles America was founded on, Islam's Sharia law does not agree with America's traditional values of separation of church and state. If we let in a large number of Muslim refugees this may cause a problem in the future.
Well we already have Muslims in the country the population of Muslims can still grow even without the refugees, and what about the First Amendment people who come here have the freedom of religion it does not matter where they come from. If these Muslims were not from Syria where there are a lot of terrorist there would not be a big dispute about there religion.
If we let in a lot of radical Muslims, maybe. Considering that there are a lot of Muslims already in America, and that Sharia law already hasn't proven to be a religious issue between them and others...
If we let Syrian refugees into the U.S we are prone to a terrorist attack in the U.S. They have already confirmed that more than 4,000 convert ISIS gun men have gone across the European Union. Think how many ISIS members would come across the U.S border if we are already getting threats about it.
But, what about the refugees who are innocent and actually need our help? Are we just supposed to leave them out because we are afraid? They need help and it is our job to help them.
the attacks in Paris was small in comparison to the absolutely large amount of refugees we're just leaving to drown or be bombed, and ISIS supporters and trainees are in the country anyways.
If we let Syrian refugees come in ISIS will sneak in with them disguised as refugees. The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden among innocent refugees.
