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HELL TO THE YES! NO, cuz im an ass.
Debate Score:38
Arguments:24
Total Votes:39
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Are LGBT's the next big thing to fight for the rights?

pretty explanitory....Sealed

HELL TO THE YES!

Side Score: 25
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NO, cuz im an ass.

Side Score: 13
2 points

Dude!!!!!!!! We're fighting right freaking now! GO LGBT'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: HELL TO THE YES!
3 points

We are going to win our rights!!! We always will be fighting. Hopefully one of these days we will live in a society where we are actually accepted without conflict.

Side: HELL TO THE YES!
1 point

I hope sooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: HELL TO THE YES!

It sure is. And next it will be people who want to marry their pets, followed shortly by people who want to marry their furniture.

Side: HELL TO THE YES!

What do you mean by that?

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Side: HELL TO THE YES!
Republican2(348) Disputed
1 point

I mean that there a lot of people that want to be included under the term "marriage", but not all are appropriate for that definition. I also think that the more you expand the definition of marriage, the more of a slippery slope it becomes.

Side: NO, cuz im an ass.

It is now 2015 and the LGBT Community won a lifetime goal by having the Supreme Court legalizing Gay Marriage as the law of the land.

Side: HELL TO THE YES!
2 points

The LGBTs or whatever have their rights. Don't need to fight for them and by the way marriage is a privilege not a right. Kinda of like driving you need a license

Side: NO they have their rights
venom2tater(320) Disputed
2 points

How is marriage a privilege??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Side: NO, cuz im an ass.
zombee(1014) Disputed
2 points

Marriage was a civil rights issue before the repeal of anti-miscegenation laws and it is a still a civil rights issue now.

Side: HELL TO THE YES!
Bohemian(3858) Disputed
2 points

by the way marriage is a privilege not a right.

According to whom?

Side: HELL TO THE YES!
Republican2(348) Disputed
1 point

According to the church. The church was the original source of marriage. If you're not a religious person, the only thing marriage is for you is a method of financial consolidation, tax benefits, plus a few other fringe privileges from the government. Gays may live together if they choose, but they shouldn't expect the church to condone it, and marrying them would be doing that.

Side: NO, cuz im an ass.
2 points

LGBT Rights are nearing the end of their western cycle, with recognition reaching Europe, Canada and finally the United States. Therefore they cannot be called the "next big thing." They are already underway and have made huge progress.

Secular recognition and Atheist recognition may be the "next big thing" since it's taken the last ten years to really begin mainstreaming the view that religion doesn't deserve the respect that it gets. Atheists are still widely distrusted and portrayed negatively in the media. Secularism is readily portrayed as state atheism when it isn't.

Then there's the fight against Muslim hatred in the United States. While not persecuted as much as past minorities, it is still easy to witness hatred directed towards them. I think what's primarily responsible for this is the rise of Islamism due to well-financed factions, and likewise the trumped up use of "Islamophobia" by the same. These wolves in sheeps' clothing are making it difficult for liberal and fair-minded Muslims to live without embarrassment or hatred.

Side: NO, cuz im an ass.
2 points

LGBT rights isn't the next big thing; it's been a big thing for decades already. It hasn't achieved its goals of complete equality yet, but it's already had huge successes.

If I could choose which next big thing people fight for, it'd be children and youth rights. They live in democratic societies and are required to a large extent to obey the law and be responsible for their actions, and yet they have extraordinarily few of the rights that adults take for granted.

Side: NO, cuz im an ass.
venom2tater(320) Disputed
2 points

I agree that its been a big thing for decades, but I meant that are we the next big thing to gain our rights? Completley gain all of our rights.

Side: HELL TO THE YES!
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

It'll probably be a very long time before LGBT rights are entirely recognised, both officially and informally. The women's rights movement has been around for over a century, but there are still many areas where people are discriminated against on basis of sex. It's basically impossible to say which rights movement will be the first to gain all the rights they seek, and when.

Side: NO, cuz im an ass.
venom2tater(320) Disputed
2 points

I agree that its been a big thing for decades, but I meant that are we the next big thing to gain our rights? Completley gain all of our rights.

Side: HELL TO THE YES!

The thing about this that it is the under the assumption that government gives rights rather than inalienable rights, which are supposed to be the job of government to protect them, so with that being said, if government can give rights, it can certainly take them away.

Side: NO, cuz im an ass.
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

The thing about this that it is the under the assumption that government gives rights rather than inalienable rights,

Without state-enumerated rights, there are none effectively, because there is no higher agency defending you from powers that would abuse your rights as enumerated. This is why anarchies and autocracies are unpleasant places to live: you have no rights that are defended by a power.

which are supposed to be the job of government to protect them, so with that being said, if government can give rights, it can certainly take them away.

Right. That is why we have a duty as citizens to be diligent towards our governments.

Side: HELL TO THE YES!