Do we really have a freedom of expression?
In my school, it is against the rules to wear a t-shirt that expresses your religous beliefs.
But at the same time, it is in the law, that we all have freedom of expression. Isn't it agains the law, to not let people showing their religous beliefs?
I mean, isn't it the same to show what your religion is and showing who you voted for in politics? You can wear a shirt with obama on at my school..
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Your school doesn't allow religious beliefs? That's rather extreme, isn't it? I mean, if you're trying to teach people things, then having a meaning of life, or a reason to learn is important. I am an atheist, but I wouldn't be such a for-sure atheist if I wasn't allowed to study and learn more about other religions. Does your school also prohibit Muslims from wearing their religious clothing? Unlike a t-shirt that says "I love God", a hijab is a tool of oppression against women, which a Muslim is forced to wear, and unlike many opinions, if you leave the Muslim faith, a recommended punishment is death. In regards to your school, I don't think it has much to do with any set "Freedom of Expression\" law, but rather a more loose moral of "Don't create argument or opposition." Schools want you to obey and memorize and do well on tests while staying out of trouble. Actually learning anything has nothing to do with it. Schools are extremely clinical and anything subject to opinion is kept out, which is quite harmful, for science, art, history, math and nearly any subject a person is interested in is dictated by your opinions in that field. Even math, although numbers are concrete, how you learn and discover new things is up to you. School does not want you to think, they want you to join the work force and obey. You think it's a surprise that schools are run by the government? What else does the government run? 1
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Nono, I think you misunderstood. My school allow religous beliefs. They just don't want us to express them during school time. We're not allowed to wear t-shirt saying Jesus or something else religous. And I think that is against the law, we all have the right to express our selves Yes, I know it's not illegal to BE religious and have religion, but it is not allowed to show it. Talking about it, although teachers probably won't tell students to NOT talk about it, is also likely discouraged. They would rather avoid philosophical arguments in class. That's why the clothing is banned. Schools today don't want you to learn anything outside the curriculum. The curriculum is so tight, that teachers will be fired if they move outside it, and mentioning religious things is a huuuuuge penalty for teachers and the school, even if it's for fun. It's really just oppression though. Fight it or don't. When it comes to religion then that should be oppressed in schools. The students must first gain the "truth" about reality, how things really work and then, when they are ready, they can see it for what it is. An uneducated mind is very easily fooled. There are of course those who have a naturally higher intelligence, when it comes to them it doesn't matter if it is oppressed or not. But the rest... not so bright, unless the specific school is for bright students. Although schools should have a philosophy class or something like that where they discuss things. 1
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It doesn't matter what your age is, or how high your IQ is. Its a human right to express themselves. Not all have it, and I think that is sad and stupid to think, that just because your older or wiser than another person, you have more right to speak up. Im not saying you said you are wiser or older or that you think any of that. But some people do think, that they have more right to speak because they're older or something. Its a human right to express themselves. Not all have it, and I think that is sad and stupid to think, that just because your older or wiser than another person, you have more right to speak up. Rights are made up by humans. They only exist in our heads, and on paper, and electronically. They wouldn't be oppresses till death, only until they are mature enough about the subjects and can decide for themselves, not follow and believe something just because they were told so or just because others do. The purpose of schools, above all else, is to prepare people for (independent) life. But some people do think, that they have more right to speak because they're older or something. Age does not make one wise. Practice and training (thinking over things), preferably together with intelligence, can make. And that usually happens over a long period. 0
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When it comes to religion then that should be oppressed in schools. The students must first gain the "truth" about reality, how things really work and then, when they are ready, they can see it for what it is. An uneducated mind is very easily fooled. Spoken like a true militant atheist. How do you know that atheism is the "truth"? Whilst is the (non) belief I subscribe to, I wouldn't teach it as gospel (if you'd excuse the irony) in school. Even if it were proven to be true, how is that an excuse to dictate the way people can think? 1
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Yeah Im aware of that, but my question was, isn't that against the law? I mean, is it like you have to be a graduate before getting the full freedom of expression? I think that's stupid. If I wanna wear a t-shirt saying Jesus, God or Allah or buddha or whatever, I should do it. freedom of expression? It's sad to say we never had it! The government myt tells us we do but sadly we dnt. It's reality!! Here is south africa i thnk mst people knw that there is no such thngs has freedm of speech. It's like the law saying you have the right to life yet so many people are murderd and babies r bein abortioned, they had the ryt to life didnt they?? You cnt go around saying wat u want, expressing wat u want. Some examples? Guys gettin arrestd cause of their tweets. I mean its their thoughts no matter hw stupid they r y mst they get arrestd? A comic political satire artist Zapiro gets taken to court all the time by the government because of his drawings and some of his drawings are ban! Why? Recently an artist painted 'The Spear' a painting which portrays our president with his genitals out, the guy was taking to court. People argued saying the guy had the freedom of speech, the government said these laws are not ABSOLUTE! Okay fine you have the right of freedom of expression... Only if you are dumb enough to believe it exist! 1
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It goes like this.... The law saying we have freedom of expression means that the government itself cannot infringe upon that freedom. So, like, if you say something against Christianity, a police officer cannot put you in jail for that. However... this does not make it illegal for independent agencies to limit expression while within their jurisdiction. For instance, a shop owner can kick you out for defaming his/her religion, they can prevent sales to you, etc. They cannot send you to jail for it, and cannot fine you for it. But they can prevent you from profiting from their services. In a sense, if they do kick you out, they are benefiting from freedom of expression as well, as they are expressing their own beliefs by wishing to have nothing to do with you. Now, if you are in a public school, that gets a little tricky in some people's minds, since it is funded by taxes. But, as far as I know, the school is not actually a direct extension of government. Even if they are, they aren't imposing legal action on you. You aren't going to jail. You just need to change your shirt, which isn't exactly life-altering... 1
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So, like, if you say something against Christianity, a police officer cannot put you in jail for that. Think again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Luckily my country has a first amendment, so I'm not likely to be imprisoned or killed for not respecting someones elses unprovable beliefs, but many others are not so lucky. A lot of places in Europe these barbaric laws are working their way back into the legal system, instead of being filtered out, as you might expect. |
